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Observations from the Barcalounger - Michigan State 2004

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by Oh8ch, Nov 6, 2004.

  1. osugrad21

    osugrad21 Capo Regime Staff Member

    Yup good point Di...I'd have to see if there was someone occupying his zone(TE) or if we caught them in some type of blitz
     
  2. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    just went back and watched it again.....both safeties were twenty yards upfield of where santonio ended up.....20 yards.....at least....

    that being said....i understand what you mean as a coach, but kids want to make plays (18-22 year olds) and fall for this shit.......
     
  3. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie

    I might agree with that if that play happened in the 2nd quarter. I think Sparty had pretty much given up at that point. Now that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see some more sweeps and toss plays, I just wonder if Sparty had quit.
     
  4. osugrad21

    osugrad21 Capo Regime Staff Member

    Very true. Who was occupying the middle third for tOSU or did they just bite hard on the play fake?
     
  5. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    agree 100% about the mo hall run....but disagree 100% about the play action to santonio.....

    with ginn and holmes.....the way to keep the safeties from being linebackers is to throw on play action often.....

    im sorry, but we are again getting away from the real problem....we are wondering if play fucking action passing is a super crazy offensive scheme....

    play action is basic and we now are discussing its use.....
     
  6. osugrad21

    osugrad21 Capo Regime Staff Member

    Well it is basic in premise but not in execution...The TE is a basic component of PA but we haven't utilized that aspect much. Our PA usually involves the deep chuck...
     
  7. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    We have a TE?
     
  8. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    i think we did in the first game....he caught a bunch of passes and a td or two....then i think he quit the team.....
     
  9. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member


    That's on both the QBs. Both Zwick and Smith are guilty of locking on to a single guy. Which is something you have to expect from new starters, I just don't see it getting a lot better with either.

    I actually think (and I might get mauled for this, but what the hell) that the biggest difference[sup]1[/sup] between the results we've had with Smith, and those we had with Zwick, is that Smith locks on to Ginn, and Zwick locked on to Holmes. And as great as Santonio may be when he's not fumbling the ball away (something he hasn't done lately, hopefully not just because he rarely touches it anymore), let's face it, Ginn is on an entirely different level in terms of explosiveness. He makes stuff happen on a level that 99.9% of college players can't.

    He wasn't that way earlier in the season, I think he's grown into it, and I think the timing of him becoming more the first option has worked out marvelously for both Ginn and Smith. Ginn dropped a lot of balls early going in this season, he's not now. He turned one certain pick into a TD, and there's no need to go into the rest of his exploits, because we've all seen them.

    But back to the point, our QBs don't check down. Ever it seems. And Ryan is more or less lost because of it.


    [sup]1[/sup] - The biggest *tangible* difference. No question there are plenty of differences between the two QBs that we could all rattle off. Smith throws a pretty ball, really has a rifle, sometimes too much, sometimes pulls it down to run too readily, Zwick forced too many balls, both overthrow receivers, yadda yadda, we could go on forever. I wasn't saying that who they lock on is the only difference, just that I think who they lock on has led to different levels of success on field because of TGjr's big plays.[sup]2[/sup]

    [sup]2[/sup] - I use these too much, and might be slightly addicted to it. But I like the idea of not changing my posts, so much as just updating them, so that there's something of a record of my thoughts. Will make it easier for people to point at stuff and say "See?! You're an idiot!"[sup]3[/sup]

    [sup]3[/sup] - Reserved for future use.
     
  10. osugrad21

    osugrad21 Capo Regime Staff Member

    True. Especially with TS, the checkdown is tucking the rock and bolting for 4 yds
     
  11. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    as i have said for seven weeks....

    brett fahverah would go 9-19 for 89 yards and 44 rushing.....

    it has nothing to do with the qbs....it is all philosophy.....
     
  12. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    I believe that to be an absolute as well. Except that I would add the OL and even more so the running game to that equation.
     
  13. PRBuck1

    PRBuck1 Newbie

    OSUGrad21, OSU actually edged MSU in TOP 30.07 to 29.53. MSU was way ahead in the first half but the Bucks possessed the ball much more in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Also, the quick scores may have made the number of plays just a bit misleading, although the Spartans did get 22 1st downs to our 12.
     
  14. osugrad21

    osugrad21 Capo Regime Staff Member

    Good stats but what is your point here?

    Im just wondering why you addressed it to me
     
  15. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    you are right clarity.....

    with a good oline....favehrah would be 7-13 for 65 and 89 rushing......

    grad....b/c you are the resident prick tonite... :slappy: :slappy: :slappy:

    forgive me....im drunk for the first time in months.....
     

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