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NCAA Basketball

tOSU @ Cincinnati

MD Buckeye, Nov 6, 2018

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  1. brodybuck21

    brodybuck21 THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY Staff Member

    Cold war between OSU, Cincinnati thaws with basketball series
    BySTEVE HELWAGEN 17 hours ago
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    College basketball fans across the state of Ohio have clamored forever for instate match-ups involving the state’s top programs.

    Those fans will be thrilled to know the decades long cold war between Ohio State and Cincinnati has thawed. Those programs will square off in Wednesday’s season opener inside UC’s renovated Fifth Third Arena (6 p.m., ESPN2).

    It will be the first on-campus match-up of the basketball teams from Ohio’s two largest universities since OSU hosted Cincinnati in 1921. OSU made its only all-time visit to UC in 1920.

    The schools met on campus six times between 1905 and 1921. There were no meetings between the schools until 1961, when they met in the first of back-to-back national championship games.

    Ohio State had won the national championship behind coach Fred Taylor and sophomores Jerry Lucas and John Havlicek in 1960. The Buckeyes were the No. 1 team going into the NCAA Tournament in each of the next two seasons. But No. 2 Cincinnati, behind coach Ed Jucker and center Paul Hogue, pulled out both victories for consecutive national titles.

    UC outlasted OSU 70-65 to win the 1961 championship, which was played in Kansas City. In 1962, Cincinnati cruised to a 71-59 win in Louisville, Ky. Those two losses stand as two of the most bitter defeats in Ohio State basketball history.

    For years, there were hopes that Ohio State and Cincinnati would play again. But various OSU athletic directors and coaches deflected the idea they would ever willingly play Cincinnati.

    “We play a tough enough schedule in the Big Ten,” they would invariably say. “We have everything to lose and nothing to gain.”

    The fires were stoked in the mid-1990s as Ohio State took a verbal commitment from Cincinnati Woodward guard Damon Flint. That recruitment went sideways, however, when one of head coach Randy Ayers’ assistants allegedly paid for Flint and his traveling companions to eat at an off-campus restaurant and also gave them OSU gym bags.

    It was alleged that current Cincinnati coach Mick Cronin – then a Woodward assistant – may have been involved and/or helped report the incident to the NCAA. OSU went on probation and was ruled ineligible to sign Flint, who ultimately ended up at UC. Cronin, himself, became a video coordinator for then-head coach Bob Huggins.

    The hard feelings thawed in the years that followed. The schools began playing each other regularly in football, beginning with a 1999 match-up in Columbus and a 2002 game played at Paul Brown Stadium in Cincinnati.

    An Ohio State-Cincinnati match-up seemed fait accompli in the 2002 NCAA Tournament. They were lined up to play in the NCAA Sweet 16 in Oakland. But UC was upset by Tulsa and OSU fell to Miami (Fla.) in second-round match-ups in Nashville, Tenn.....

    https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/LongFormArticle/Ohio-State-Buckeyes-basketball-has-deep-history-with-opening-opponent-Cincinnati-124312542/
     
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  2. brodybuck21

    brodybuck21 THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY Staff Member

    Bearcats, Buckeyes play Wednesday, ending decades of bad basketball blood

    Oscar Robertson never quite understood all the bad blood, either. At last, the greatest University of Cincinnati basketball player is pleased to see Ohio State University finally agreeing to play UC in a home-and-home men's basketball series after nearly 100 years.

    "They should play every year," said Robertson, a Naismith Hall of Fame player who turns 80 this month.

    On Wednesday night at 6 p.m. at newly renovated Fifth Third Arena, the Bearcats and Buckeyes will open the season on ESPN2 with the first of a two-game home-and-home series. Next year, the teams will meet at Value City Arena in Columbus.

    The schools have not met on each other's court during regular-season play since 1921. The Bearcats won that game 33-17, which was the home opener for the Buckeyes. Ohio State has not played the Bearcats in Cincinnati since Jan. 3, 1920, a 35-13 win for the Buckeyes.

    "I guess there was this feeling that if one team gets beat, it would hurt their recruiting or whatnot," Robertson said.

    Theories for the long UC-OSU drought are many, some real and some imagined. A general belief is that Ohio State has refused to play UC mainly because of ill feelings from the 1961 and 1962 NCAA championship games, both won by the Bearcats in upsets over the Buckeyes. Other eras found each school accusing the other of recruiting violations or other misdeeds.

    Beyond that, there is the feeling that big brother Ohio State simply has not wanted to risk the embarrassment of possibly losing to its biggest in-state threats UC, Xavier (last met OSU in 1934 in the regular season) and Dayton (last met in 1988 regular season), and thus has not scheduled them. OSU has played many other Ohio schools over the years, including games with Youngstown State and Cleveland State scheduled for this season.

    "In the past that wouldn’t have been the case. I think Mick Cronin has a very solid relationship with the guy working at Ohio State (Holtmann) from when he was at Butler and when UC played them. I think Mike Bohn is a pretty aggressive and enthusiastic AD, and they were able to get it done."


    There was also the small issue of UC wanting a big name for the reopening of Fifth Third Arena.

    Said Bohn, "It's a win-win for everyone."

    Second-year OSU coach Holtmann, speaking at an event that involved OSU fans last week, credited his athletic director Smith with helping seal the deal with UC.

    “It’s one of the questions we got a lot when we took the job and I’ve been asked about that game a lot, the origins of that game," Holtmann said, per the Columbus Dispatch. "Gene Smith deserves a lot of credit as well because he didn’t tell me I had to do it, but he encouraged it to happen. Scheduling in big-time college basketball, it can take years to make happen. It just so happened that there was an opening in both of ours for a home-and-home.”

    And times have changed.

    The Big O also seems to think that good teams don't care about that it'll-hurt-recruiting fear anymore.

    "Good teams will play you anywhere, any year," Robinson said.

    UC athletic director Bohn, on the job in Clifton since 2014, has always employed a play-anyone, play-anywhere posture.

    UC coach Cronin, in his 13th year as Bearcats head man, has always been willing to play OSU or anyone else.


    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2018/11/05/cincinnati-bearcats-ohio-state-end-decades-bad-basketball-blood/1861070002/
     
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  3. brodybuck21

    brodybuck21 THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY Staff Member

    toughest opener I can remember and its in their newly renovated arena. crowd will be jacked. be nice to get off to a good start!
     
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  4. ORD_Buckeye

    ORD_Buckeye Wrong glass, Sir.

    We need to thump some juggalo ass tomorrow night. I have a bad feeling though. No KBD, and the Faygo swillers will be jacked sky high.
     
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  5. MD Buckeye

    MD Buckeye BP Soft Verbal Staff Member BP Recruiting Team Bookie '13&14 BPCFFB II Champ

    Sportsbook event posted. Bearcats -5.5
     
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  6. Arch2H

    Arch2H Junior

    Col. Potter's great great grandson has quit the team.
     
  7. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    SKULL SESSION: OHIO STATE TAKES ON CINCINNATI, URBAN MEYER AND MARK DANTONIO TRADE COMPLIMENTS, AND SHEA PATTERSON HELPS OUT DWAYNE HASKINS

    WHAT TOOK SO LONG?
    Ohio State and Cincinnati haven't played each other in The Great State of Ohio since 1921 – nearly 100 years ago, though that will change tonight.

    The schools are less than a two-hour drive from each other, but the matchup never materialized, mostly due to reluctance on the part of Ohio State. That's why Cincinnati was shocked when they received a call to set up a game.

    From Bill Landis of The Athletic ($):

    “I think they thought it was a joke in the beginning,” (Ohio State basketball director of operations) David Egelhoff told The Athletic. “I think they were taken aback a little bit.”

    ...

    “There was never even a discussion,” said Berger, who’s been with the program for nine years and grew up in Cincinnati. “It would have been a waste of our time to call because it wasn’t going to happen. That’s how we always felt, to be honest.”

    So, yeah, he was shocked when Egelhoff called.

    Early on, the issue was that Ohio State held a grudge against Cincinnati because the Bearcats upset the Buckeyes in the national championship game in 1961 and 1962, denying them an elusive three-peat, and taking a repeat for themselves.

    Later, it became more about perception and recruiting. Thad Matta saw playing Cincinnati as a no-win scenario, but Chris Holtmann is more than willing to give it a shot, especially if it's what people want.

    When Holtmann took the Ohio State job in June 2017, he met with Smith to discuss some things Smith thought could help give the basketball program a jolt. Playing a game in the old St. John Arena was one (the Buckeyes will host Cleveland State there Nov. 23), and the other was scheduling Cincinnati.

    Scheduling wasn’t at the front of Holtmann’s mind at the start. Recruiting occupied most of his headspace as he tried to turn things around, but he was interested in landing a marquee home-and-home opponent early. At a meet-the-coaching staff event two months after Holtmann was hired, a fan asked whether he planned on scheduling games against Cincinnati, Xavier and Dayton. The others in the arena started applauding before the question was through being asked.

    “I think at that point I knew it was a big deal to certain people here,” Holtmann told The Athletic.

    I love how Chris Holtmann genuinely listens when he hears the fanbase say, "wouldn't it be cool if..." instead of just tuning it out and going about his business.

    So let's give this a shot: Wouldn't it be cool if Ohio State made the alternate gray uniforms its official home uniforms?

    Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skull-sessions/2018/11/98579/ohio-state--football-takes-on-cincinnati-urban-meyer-and-mark-dantonio-trade-compliments-and-shea-patterson-helps-out
     
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  8. Honor&Glory

    Honor&Glory Paper,Rock, Scissors, Lizard, Spock!

    UC is replacing its top 2 players from last year (Evans and Clark) who were also their two best defenders. This is a toss up to me with the edge being with OSU based on the ability to shoot the ball better and Holtman will coach circles around Cronin.
    regardless I am just grateful OSU took on the game and is UC’s first opponent in the new arena. I will be there tonight with my dad (both UC alumni) and regardless of the outcome we will leave happy.
     
  9. brodybuck21

    brodybuck21 THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY Staff Member

    if we come out hitting 3's (ahem CJ Jackson time) then i like our chances.
     
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  10. OhioState001

    OhioState001 Tressel Loyalist

    I'm psyched 45 more minutes until the season starts. I'm not expecting championships but hoping we can sneak into the NCAA tournament. I at least hope they can be competitive in nearly every game and put up a good fight
     
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  11. buckeyemania11

    buckeyemania11 HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE!!!

    Rough sledding when you're up against this

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  12. OhioState001

    OhioState001 Tressel Loyalist

    I've been watching this show on ESPN2 before our game and man is it awful. No wonder why ESPN ratings suck
     
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  13. The Land 216

    The Land 216 Newbie

    I’m excited for this season for some reason lol
     
  14. OhioState001

    OhioState001 Tressel Loyalist

    Offense looks sloppy as hell. Probably gonna need to get used to that
     
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  15. OHSportsFan

    OHSportsFan Fan of Ohio Sports in Indy

    On pace to score 0 points this season. And I may believe that.
     
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