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Game Thread Ohio State vs Michigan State, 11/11/17 @ 12:00 ET (FOX)

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To be fair, there is a distinction. As shown below, most of the losses you point to were close losses to good teams. Urban can't say the same for his last three losses (blowout against Clemson, blowout against OU, blowout against Iowa).

jwinslow said:
I'm not sure why tressel is being defined by his best performances, as well as regarded as a great game manager when in reality he drove us nuts for 90% of the season. Those offenses were usually far harder to stomach than the more inconsistent ones under urban.

Meanwhile Urban's three natties are being wrongly overshadowed by some recent struggles, as though tressel didn't have a lengthy ugly stretch of his own

07 Florida (admittedly a blowout, but to the national champs)
07 Illinois (close loss to a team that went 9-3 in regular season and went to Rose Bowl)
07 lsu (not a very close game, but again to the national champs)
08 usc (blowout loss to a really good team)
08 psu (close loss to a team that went 11-1 in the regular season)
09 Texas (OSU didn't play Texas in '09; but OSU lost a close bowl game to the 2008 Texas team that went 12-1)
09 usc (close loss to a USC team that finished 9-4)
09 purdue (close loss to an admittedly atrocious Purdue team)

And after finally turning it around against Oregon and setting up for a title run

10 uw (close loss to a team that went 11-1 in the regular season and lost the Rose Bowl by 2 points)

Followed by disbanding the players, regime and sending Ohio recruits fleeing to Michigan. That could have been disastrous if a hall of fame coach was not waiting nearby.

I think the last 3 years have made the comparison more interesting, but let's not romanticize only one side .
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I was using the calendar year.

These three were beatdowns:
07 uf
08 lsu
08 usc

I don't see a major difference. All of those were within a 16 game stretch or so (not looking it up)

These were bad losses:
07 ill
09 purdue

This was psu 2017 without the comeback:
10 uw

And that list has 8 notable losses in 2.1 seasons, and the rebound wasn't very long or considerable.

Meyer will likely rebound in a year or two, and his bad season this year still likely finished with a CCG berth. Now if they tailspin with 4+ losses and the wheels come off next year, that's another story. But for now Urban still hasn't caught tressels downswing.

The difference is before when you missed the NC game, you could tie for a conference title and play a decent but not great NY6 type of opponent instead of clashing with a NC winner. The standard for pretty good was elevated many notches by Meyer and Saban and frankly Tressel never kept pace even once. He may have come close without tatgate but that's just hypothetical if cheating wasn't outed.
buckeyesin07 said:
To be fair, there is a distinction. As shown below, most of the losses you point to were close losses to good teams. Urban can't say the same for his last three losses (blowout against Clemson, blowout against OU, blowout against Iowa).
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buckeyesin07 said:
To be fair, there is a distinction. As shown below, most of the losses you point to were close losses to good teams. Urban can't say the same for his last three losses (blowout against Clemson, blowout against OU, blowout against Iowa).
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Well, "to be fair", the bigger common denominator in these three blowout losses is the defense coordinator and not Meyer, else we'd have had at least one blowout loss in Meyer's first 66 games...
 
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jwinslow said:
And that list has 8 notable losses in 2.1 seasons, and the rebound wasn't very long or considerable.

Meyer will likely rebound in a year or two, and his bad season this year still likely finished with a CCG berth. Now if they tailspin with 4+ losses and the wheels come off next year, that's another story. But for now Urban still hasn't caught tressels downswing.
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Not sure I agree with the notion that Urban "still hasn't caught Tressel's downswing." After all, that "downswing" and those "8 notable losses" included two NC games, and you seem willing to give Urban somewhat of a pass this year if he can just scrape his way to a CCG.

In my view, the Clemson game was at least as awful as OSU vs. Florida in Jan. 2007, and last weekend was light years worse than anything that happened under Tressel's watch. At least that 2004 Iowa team that ran us out of Kinnick finished 10-2 with a bowl game W over LSU.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
Not sure I agree with the notion that Urban "still hasn't caught Tressel's downswing." After all, that "downswing" and those "8 notable losses" included two NC games, and you seem willing to give Urban somewhat of a pass this year if he can just scrape his way to a CCG.

In my view, the Clemson game was at least as awful as OSU vs. Florida in Jan. 2007, and last weekend was light years worse than anything that happened under Tressel's watch. At least that 2004 Iowa team that ran us out of Kinnick finished 10-2 with a bowl game W over LSU.
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And if they lose a few more close ones in the next ten games, you'll remember how badly it stung to also drop games like psu 08 Texas 09 in that same rough stretch.

Also USC 08 was pretty close to Iowa 17. Obviously the talent was very different, but the beatdown was comparable.

We've yet to see a Purdue 09 either. That being a closer point total does not change how awful it was.
 
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Tressel-6

UFM-1

Only stat that matters baby lol

I don't recall a three game run like this with Tressel though. 3 losses in 10 games and double digit losses at that.

Had to be the run with the title loss to LSU in 2007, USC curb stomping, and then the close loss to Pedo.

This run is worse then that
 
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jwinslow said:
And if they lose a few more close ones in the next ten games, you'll remember how badly it stung to also drop games like psu 08 Texas 09 in that same rough stretch.

Also USC 08 was pretty close to Iowa 17. Obviously the talent was very different, but the beatdown was comparable.

We've yet to see a Purdue 09 either. That being a closer point total does not change how awful it was.
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While that USC game completely sucked and they crushed us by just a bit more than Iowa did, that USC team might as well as been a team of Hall of Famers talent-wise compared to those two- and three-star Iowa kids that just railroaded us on Saturday. I'd argue this was a far more embarrassing loss than that USC game, and at least as embarrassing a loss as that Purdue game--while that Purdue team was a trail wreck, at least it went into OT; this game was blowout in which we gave up 55 points to a 5-3 team that only scored 17 against Minnesota, 10 against Michigan St., 10 against Northwestern, 19 against Penn St., and 24 against Wyoming. Hell, we gave up 24 more points to them than did North Texas (Iowa only scored 31 against them).
 
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bukIpower said:
I don't recall a three game run like this with Tressel though. 3 losses in 10 games and double digit losses at that.

Had to be the run with the title loss to LSU in 2007, USC curb stomping, and then the close loss to Pedo.

This run is worse then that
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No way. Following the debacle against Florida, OSU had a tough home loss to a good Illinois team, got beaten soundly by LSU, destroyed by USC, lost an ugly game to PSU, and followed it up with a heartbreaking loss to Texas. Then opened up 09 with a home loss to a mediocre USC team and had an inexplicable, awful loss at Purdue before finally getting a big win un the Rose Bowl.

THAT is a bad stretch. I'm not happy at all with the last 2 years, but I certainly do not look back on that stretch from 07 to 09 and think "I'd rather have that again".

I want to wait and see how this team responds before deciding on if this is the worst stretch of big games since the mid 90s.
 
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