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Game Thread Ohio State vs Nebraska, 11/05/16, 8:00pm ET ABC

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Hstead said:
These are my observations. First off, LOVE LOVE LOVE night games in the Shoe. Wish we played more of them even though it puts me getting home at 3 am.

LOVE LOVE LOVED the Throw backs. They were kick ass.

I have been saying this for a while and will say it again. The Offensive line looks great when the play calling isn't vanilla and keeps the defense off balance and guessing. When we suck, it is because the play calling sucks, we run Weber off tackle left every first down, then run an option, and it is then 3rd and long. Last night, we ran play action passes on first down damn near all night long. Go back and watch game films from ND, ttun, OU, and last night. First downs are play action. Go back and watch MSU and PSU. First down play action was damn near non-existent. It was Weber left all night, or Zeke last year. Weber never touched it in the first quarter last night. And I am find with that. Love Weber and the way he plays, but he can be most effective when we are spreading the ball around to play makers and keeping the d off balance. Weber didn't run it a ton, but he was still effective when he needed to be effective. So to summarize on the Oline, they are fine, the play calling needs to give them a chance to succeed and last night it did. JT has ALL NIGHT to throw most of the time, and I mean 6 and 7 seconds at times.

Now the Wide Outs. I have been saying they are NFL caliber and still think most will play on Sundays. They can separate. They need to have routes called that gives them a chance to separate. It can't be the same ole same ole where defenses are sitting on our short routes. When you see the games live, we have had separation all year but JT doesn't see them most of the time. Zone 6 is fine when the play calling gives them a chance to succeed, ie play action first down.

JT. Now I am sure I am going to catch hell for this, and I think JT is a fine player and has been. I think JT has not been coached well the past two years and has regressed. JT had a decent night throwing and an excellent night running. He did a masterful job eluding some pressures and keeping plays alive. Kudos and great work there. But, he missed some WIDE ASS OPEN guys again, especially 2 deep balls including the wheel route to Weber that was a spectacular play call. He was late with several throws. And I can recall 2 throws that were really really bad, into double coverage on an out where they were damn near pick 6s. Also, many of the completetions were not in places that gave the receiver a chance for any yards after the catch, balls were a little high, or a little behind, etc. They were not thrown in places for the WRs to keeping running.

Now for the unpopular part, so I have now put on my flame suit. I am not sure Burrow wouldn't be more efficient. He reads the defense much faster, throws guys open, puts the ball in a place for them to get YAC, is a decent runner, and is more accurate.

So there you go, play calling improves and the offense rolls. Players are fine, just have to put them in a play that they have a chance to succeed with instead of first down automatic Weber off tackle left and 3rd and 8 QB draws.
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Quite frankly, from what I saw last night and the minimal time Burrows has been on the field, I agree. To a point. I think one person on here said a week or so back, one of the reasons we were so successful in the 2014 post-season was due to the fact we were forced to put in Cardale Jones- a player no one had damn near studied at all. However, we aren't in that position and Burrows isn't as unique as Jones (in that he's not able to literally jump over other players).

That being said, November is probably the worst time to have a QB controversy. But, I don't see why, if we're up more than 4-5 TDs next week, we shouldn't put Burrows in. See what the guy can do. Granted, playing MD isn't exactly playing TTUN. But, he sure did hold up well against a good Nebraska D. Switching Jones and JT was a huge mistake last year. If we want to confuse our opponents, we need to keep throwing new plays (and even players) at them. It makes for a dynamic O....that is if it works.
 
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UrbanBuckeye said:
Quite frankly, from what I saw last night and the minimal time Burrows has been on the field, I agree. To a point. I think one person on here said a week or so back, one of the reasons we were so successful in the 2014 post-season was due to the fact we were forced to put in Cardale Jones- a player no one had damn near studied at all. However, we aren't in that position and Burrows isn't as unique as Jones (in that he's not able to literally jump over other players).

That being said, November is probably the worst time to have a QB controversy. But, I don't see why, if we're up more than 4-5 TDs next week, we shouldn't put Burrows in. See what the guy can do. Granted, playing MD isn't exactly playing TTUN. But, he sure did hold up well against a good Nebraska D. Switching Jones and JT was a huge mistake last year. If we want to confuse our opponents, we need to keep throwing new plays (and even players) at them. It makes for a dynamic O....that is if it works.
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Yeah I am the last guy that wants to see a QB controversy and am not calling for Joe to be the starter by any means. However, God forbid JT get injured, I think we will be more than fine. It is just my opinion that Joe reads the defense faster, better, and is more accurate.
 
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Hstead said:
ng they are NFL caliber and still think most will play on Sundays. They can separate. They need to have routes called that gives them a chance to separate. It can't be the same ole same ole where defenses are sitting on our short routes. When you see the games live, we have had separation all year but JT doesn't see them most of the time. Zone 6 is fine when the play calling gives them a chance to succeed, ie play action first down.
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Samuel will play on sundays. Brown may. McLaurin, Clark, Dixon, Campbell, Smith are not safe bets. Of that group, I think Terry will be pretty decent with Burrow.

Mack and Victor are too early to judge. Victor really needs a QB who knows how to use his size. Barrett's deep ball and jump ball accuracy and timing are pretty weak.

edit: Hill has looked good. No idea why he was left out before
 
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jwinslow said:
Samuel will play on sundays. Brown may. McLaurin, Clark, Dixon, Campbell, Smith are not safe bets. Of that group, I think Terry will be pretty decent with Burrow.

Mack and Victor are too early to judge. Victor really needs a QB who knows how to use his size. Barrett's deep ball and jump ball accuracy and timing are pretty weak.
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I think Campbell will be a no doubter and most likely Baugh will as well. I expect Campbell to do things Samuel is doing next year. KJ Hill is pretty dang good too.
 
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Hstead said:
I think Campbell will be a no doubter and most likely Baugh will as well. I expect Campbell to do things Samuel is doing next year. KJ Hill is pretty dang good too.
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Not sure why I left out Hill. I think he's quite good and am glad to finally see him emerge. I wish they weren't treating him like an h-back on a team with literally 1 WR they can rely upon (partially due to JT).

Campbell is very fast but not that elusive or creative with the ball. His hands were very rough when he got here. They've been upgraded to decent.


I like the next wave of WRs (Hill, Mack, Victor, Grimes, Lindsey, ?). I'm not sure the veteran group is that good.

What I meant to say is that I think the veterans are a bit average by OSU standards but they're open enough to make plays. Barrett is woeful at hitting his WRs in stride on deep balls and also places the ball poorly on jump balls (either deep or in the redzone).
 
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First off, glad that Tommy Armstrong is OK.

On the game ... I'll just echo Urban: WOW, I didn't see that one coming.

More from Urban post game> What is it about this sport that you couldn't see this coming? Why is it that they would play that way and you wouldn't know?: 18 years old, 19 years old, and this game is college football. I saw Texas A&M lose to Mississippi State. I was actually watching part of that, and I just thought, we've all been around this sport long enough that the youth, when that youth grows up it's kind of cool to watch. And I'm hoping that's what's happening here. I'm not saying it is yet, because we've still got a lot left.

I kind of still have the same impression of this team ... they are young but talented. Keep getting the feeling that they play differently when the momentum is on their side and the positive vibes are flowing. The early pick 6 did tons for my confidence and I assume for the bucks as well. Hoping they are to the point where they can play to their full potential even when things like momentum and score aren't going their way in a game. Whatever, outside of the injury to Armstrong, that was a fun game to watch! Go Bucks!
 
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Nigel Tufnel said:
We have no idea how much or little a guy is going to progress in accuracy. Usually accuracy isn't a huge jump - that is usually something a guy has or he doesn't. Not to say there would be no improvement, but that's not where you expect it.

Now, I'd expect improvement in regards to reading defenses, progressions, and such adjustments. And from that standpoint, it would appear that JT has made progress.
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The majority of D1 players find, upon entering a collegiate weight program, that they put on 20-30 (or more) lbs of muscle. This increase in strength, mass and basal muscle tone often incurs a decrease in flexibility; altogether, the end result is that the player's throwing velocity, angle, and release point may all be affected.

During this time, it is critical that the QB coach reinforces proper mechanics, and helps the player appropriately reconcile his throwing motion with his new strength and flexibility.

How is this relevant to our now 3rd year QB? After he injured his ankle, JT was limited to upper body workouts only, and likely put on some solid mass. If this was not properly addressed with regards to mechanics, it seems to me like it could definitely have an effect on his accuracy - especially on the deep ball, where even slight inaccuracy is magnified.

At the end of the day, I'm not qualified to say if Beck is or is not the reason for JT's seeming regression/failure to develop. Urban is a much better judge than I am. However, I also don't think it's purely a coincidence that both Taylor Martinez and JT have exhibited a puzzling decrease in mechanics and accuracy over the course of their careers.
 
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redguard117 said:
The majority of D1 players find, upon entering a collegiate weight program, that they put on 20-30 (or more) lbs of muscle. This increase in strength and basal muscle tone often incurs a decrease in flexibility; the end result is that the player's throwing velocity, angle, and release point may all be affected.

During this time, it is critical that the QB coach reinforces proper mechanics, and helps the player appropriately reconcile his throwing motion with his new strength and flexibility.

How is this relevant to our now 3rd year QB? After he injured his ankle, JT was limited to upper body workouts only, and likely put on some solid mass. If this was not properly addressed with regards to mechanics, it seems to me like it could definitely have an effect on his accuracy - especially on the deep ball, where even slight inaccuracy is magnified.

At the end of the day, I'm not qualified to say if Beck is or is not the reason for JT's seeming regression/failure to develop. Urban is a much better judge than I am. However, I also don't think it's purely a coincidence that both Taylor Martinez and JT have exhibited a puzzling decrease in mechanics and accuracy over the course of their careers.
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It's up to the S&C folks to encourage/make sure the players do proper stretching. I've seen several body-builder types who still were flexible as hell because they always incorporated stretching into their workouts.
 
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HorseshoeFetish said:
Man if only our guys got on a bus and drove around the stadium once it would be the best entrance in FB.
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This guy thinks that's a great idea...

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MililaniBuckeye said:
It's up to the S&C folks to encourage/make sure the players do proper stretching. I've seen several body-builder types who still were flexible as hell because they always incorporated stretching into their workouts.
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Flexibility is definitely a S&C issue, but throwing mechanics will be impacted regardless of if you increase your flexibility or not.

Our bones are levers, our joints are the fulcrums, and our muscles provide the force that enables them to move. When you change the mass and force on one lever (by increasing muscle mass and strength), there will absolutely be a change in your mechanics unless there is a compensatory change in the neural networks that control it.

I used to Olympic lift, and many of people I lifted with were insanely huge and flexible. However, because of their increase in mass over time, they had to adjust their mechanics over time as well - e.g. change their catch position or depth on the snatch, etc.

It's the same for someone who has to throw a football 50+ mph at a moving target 40 yards away. Even slight changes in mass and weight balance will have a significant effect on accuracy and mechanics. That's why a good QB coach needs to ensure proper mechanics over time.
 
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