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Game Thread Ohio State vs TCU (Arlington, TX) - 09/15/18, 8:00PM (ABC)

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morbitzerker said:
Like Steve and Gizmo, this shit isn't on for me until 2 a.m. my time. All the stores here close at 8 p.m., so I still have over an hour to kill at the bar before the 3:30 games start. You guys have it good.
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Sunday 8am kickoff for me!!!

Just a cryin' shame there's no Bob Evans here, or it'd be the perfect Sunday morning.
 
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Heard a frog croak at 5 a.m. this morning and said "Not today Mr. Frog!". Grabbed my sling-shot, loaded him up and told him to "Get off my lawn" and shot his croaky ass into the Stratosphere. No frawgs this day because it's GAME DAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!! and it's TIME.TO.GET.PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!
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O-H!!!!!!
(no frogs were actually harmed in the writing of this forum post, though some will be harmed physically and emotionally starting 8pm eastern time)
 
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Buckeye513 said:
It's really not. For all of our sakes I hope the fanboy optimism doesn't blow up in anyone's face but this is the kind of dumb shit that gets pasted from mgoboard in the shenanigans thread.
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Hahaha... JT Barrett lead this offense to within 70 yards and 4 points of this somehow untouchable OU offense you have imagined. This isn't blind anything it's literally common sense. When you return 8 starters from an offense that finished 7th in total offense what is so hard to believe we will improve on that?

I'll repeat it since you live in Alabama... we may lose this game and this offense may have a tougher time with TCU. That said this offense will improve on last years numbers which means it'll close in on that OU team. I happen to think we will match what OU did to TCU. Lighten up Francis ITS GAMEDAY.

45 to 20 bucks
 
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Army Frog Fan said:
I think this team is more athletic than the 2014 bunch across the board. Time will tell if they know GP's system well enough for him to open his playbook (a la 2010) or if they have that extra chip a la 2014.

As far as Robinson, his accuracy has not been great in 2 of 3 games (possibly both of which can be blamed on weather (gusting West Texas winds against Tech last year and rain against SMU this year). That certainly is some cause for concern, but he also broke Andy Dalton's school record for most passes to start a career before throwing a pick. It will be interesting to see how well he knows the playbook and reads, and how much the staff trusts him when throwing.
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Thanks for your breakdowns. I hope you stick around after the fact regardless of the outcome. Here are my thoughts:

1) OSU had a great read option offense in 2013 with Braxton Miller, Carlos Hyde and a loaded NFL OL. Passing game inconsistencies aside, they were handcuffed by a woeful secondary and inconsistent group of LBs. The coach in charge of the safeties was fired and the LB coach (Fickell) was demoted back to focusing on LBs (with great success in 2014).

This defense has some similar qualities at those two positions (although this one is more talented at safety). The difference is these guys are very young, and players like Baron Browning should blossom in time, but probably not by today.

This defense also got Iowa'd last year, and losing 3 NFL DL (all 3 of which were very disciplined) does not help with their consistency upfront. Chase Young explodes off the page as a potential top-10 pick in two years, but he's still learning to do the little things. The same is true for most of the youngsters behind him.


OSU recruits very well at most spots. One place where they didn't recruit very well (on paper / star rankings) for a few years was safety.

Sr - none (this is not unusual, OSU teams are often young)
Jr - Fuller (good recruit, very good player)
So - Wint - late sleeper, started in opener and struggled
So - Pryor - very good recruit, first year of meaningful PT, good athlete, still putting it together
So - Riep - good recruit, same breakdown as pryor
So - White - solid recruit, legacy, bounced between different positions so far at OSU
Fr - Proctor - high level recruit, true frosh. Fans are dying to see him for his high level WR ball skills
Fr - Hooker - sleeper recruit, brother of AA Malik Hooker, different athlete though

So as a result, they have an all-conference candidate in Fuller and a lot of question marks. One thing they've been working on over the last few weeks is utilizing Shaun Wade there. He is a former 5-star corner stuck behind 3 pretty solid CBs (all 3 of which started last year).

Wint really struggled at safety. Pryor flashed his athleticism but is still very green. Wade gives them a lengthy, athletic corner to fill out their defense, which would be extremely helpful against TCU. My concerns about how well he will hold up in the running game are less pronounced given the pursuit angles taken by those he might replace and he'd provide a giant upgrade in coverage.

2) Dwayne Haskins has franchise QB talent with his arm. He's also played about 1.5 quarters of meaningful football, and in that game the defense lost contain a lot (something that lazy media types don't criticize Michigan's defense for) and let him attack vertically with his feet. He is a much more consistent version of Cardale Jones, who also had franchise QB arm talent, great size, good straight line speed and terrible lateral speed (at least compared to recent OSU qbs).

Force him to beat you side to side when he wants to take off (or god forbid, if OSU gets QB run crazy again) and you'll eat him alive. Allow him to stand tall in the pocket or take off north-south and he'll burn you.


3) Urban Meyer is a legendary coach, but his security blanket is the QB run. Conversely, both JT Barrett and Braxton Miller were much more efficient runners than they were passers, and so this was a wise business decision. With the severe dropoff in running ability, and even bigger upgrade in passing ability, the hope is that the balanced passing attack will continue.

The suspension of Urban Meyer is also not insignificant. Ryan Day brings a lot of NFL style RPO looks to this offense, but at the end of the day he's not the head playcaller when Meyer is in a headset. When things got tight last year, we saw them get away from those constraints (again, partially due to Meyer tendencies and partially due to Barrett's weaknesses).


I tend to think the defense will struggle again, but some youngsters will flash and take the next step. I also think your QB will have trouble with the savage pass rush of Bosa and Young. The question will be how well they maintain their lane discipline and whether the DTs can collapse the pocket to prevent him from stepping up and burning OSU. The LBs also have to do a much better job against a much better caliber of offense and athlete this weekend.

As a homer, I see TCU's defense struggling more than OSU's (though neither doing well), and Dwayne's polish and versatility in the passing game will be tough to handle. I predict a 42-31 outcome where OSU pulls away late.
 
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