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Pretty interesting how these frat boys probably don't miss a home game in the fall cheering for a team that is largely African-American. Kind of silly to cheer them like that on Saturday but refuse to hang with them after the game at the frat house.

Also, it was nice to see Lon Kruger and Bob Stoops join the campus demonstrations. It would have been very easy for them to stay above the fray. I am not sure if every coach would be savvy enough or have the conviction to do that in the moment. In addition to being the right thing to do, I think it is something their players, players' parents and recruits and their families will appreciate.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspo...ins-demonstrations-against-racist-frat-video/
 
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I've always felt that racism shouldn't be illegal. It's really stupid, but it shouldn't be illegal. I don't think the university or law enforcement should do anything to the kids, themselves. However, acting on racism should be illegal (as it is). You can't discriminate for any reason, including race. That means the fraternity can't prevent anyone from joining because of race. And their "clever" chant says that they won't accept people based on race. I think that unless they can prove that they AREN'T racist, I have no problem with the university revoking their charter.

Bucky32 said:
Pretty interesting how these frat boys probably don't miss a home game in the fall cheering for a team that is largely African-American. Kind of silly to cheer them like that on Saturday but refuse to hang with them after the game at the frat house.
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Yeah - I've never understood how racists can be sports fans. Except maybe hockey (which I know very little about, but have been led to believe that there are few minorities playing), what sport can you watch where you can root for your team without rooting for African Americans?
 
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I am not one to frequent the philosophical boards on a regular basis, but saw this pop up and had a few thoughts.

I agree with Zurp (holy shit.....smh) in that making some sort of racist comment, no matter how tasteless, classless or backward-thinking it may be, it should not be against the law. Now, that said, these guys were not arrested..... Their chapter was simply eliminated from the school and they are facing expulsion. The people involved are free to pursue their education at any other school that will admit them. People confuse the freedom of speech with the freedom to say anything they want at any time with no repercussions. I have the freedom to jump up on my desk at work and go all Jameis Winston, but doing so would absolutely cost me my job. I would not be arrested, or stoned, or placed into a labor camp, or anything else..... That is all the 1st Amendment of the Constitution guarantees us as Americans.

Although I am a college graduate, I was not involved in any fraternities and know very little about them, so I am extremely ignorant with respect to SAE or their history/tradition/etc. Is SAE a traditionally white fraternity on a national level, or is this sentiment/behavior isolated to the OU chapter? Is it unusual for frats/sororities to use race as admission criteria?

I would be interested to see the backlash if this was a traditionally african-american fraternity chanting about a caucasian joining their group........ Why is society even willing to accept the double standard that goes along with "african-american fraternities" while vilifying these guys at OU?
 
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AJHawkfan said:
People confuse the freedom of speech with the freedom to say anything they want at any time with no repercussions. I have the freedom to jump up on my desk at work and go all Jameis Winston, but doing so would absolutely cost me my job. I would not be arrested, or stoned, or placed into a labor camp, or anything else..... That is all the 1st Amendment of the Constitution guarantees us as Americans.
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I agree with that but it still just comes down to what the PC mob thinks is bad enough to warrant "punishment".

If a group of college students get together and burn an American flag are they getting thrown out of school?

I find that deeply offensive behavior, as would many other vets I'm sure, but I acknowledge their right to do it without repercussion.

The problem with being labeled a "racist", and lets face it that only applies if blacks are the target, is that the main stream media turns it into a crime against humanity and every liberal in America fires up the echo chamber of white guilt to see who can appear more morally outraged than the next.

It's really nothing more than a liberal street cred event that demands some form of actual punishment (loss of job, expulsion from school,etc) for having an unpopular personal opinion.
 
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Trying to remember my Greek history - SAE was founded in 1856 at University of Alabama and for a long time had no chapters north of the Mason-Dixon - at least until 1865 :cool: When I entered Ohio State in 1961 there was only one fraternity that had no racial or religious membership rules. When I returned to Ohio State in the summer of 1969 many of those barriers were down, e.g. Jack Tatum was a Sigma Chi. The "northern" fraternities, Beta Theta Pi, Phi Delta Theta and Sigma Chi had an easier time making the adjustment away from the "White-Christian" clauses in their charters. I know there are now black members of some SAE chapters. They must be greatly amused by the welcoming song of their Sooner "brothers."
 
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Jaxbuck said:
The problem with being labeled a "racist", and lets face it that only applies if blacks are the target, is that the main stream media turns it into a crime against humanity and every liberal in America fires up the echo chamber of white guilt to see who can appear more morally outraged than the next.
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They're being labeled "racist" because they basically admitted, loud and proud, that they were racist. I mean, if we can't call this 'racist,' we might as well revert back to the 60s when this shit was routinely acceptable in certain portions of the country.

I know everyone wants to pretend we live in a post-racial society, but this is just another example that we still have a long way to go. This isn't the only fraternity/sorority in the country that's been accused of excluding certain people based on color. This is just a blatant example of it. There's nothing wrong with identifying them as what they are, shaming the shit out of them, and working towards better race relations on campuses.

To ignore it and pretend like it doesn't represent some reprehensible parts of our national history is to basically 'white' wash it all in the hopes that it will just go away. I wish it (racism) would go away. But it hasn't so let's stop getting pissed at the people who point it out and start getting pissed at the people who would find this shit acceptable.
 
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OH10 said:
I wish it (racism) would go away. But it hasn't so let's stop getting pissed at the people who point it out and start getting pissed at the people who would find this [Mark May] acceptable.
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I agree with you, but why is it that the only form of racism that needs to be eliminated is white against black? It is an outrage if a white person attempts to organize an event/organization/group that is exclusively white, but it's perfectly acceptable for a "black" event/organization/group of the same nature.

The double standard is not the only thing creating racial tension, but it is certainly not helping either.
 
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