Oklahoma - SAE

[Jaxbuck]

Whole different set of rules apply here. A few years back a kid at St. X had a pie thrown into the face of a teacher, was expelled, parents fought it. Judge threw the case out because a private school can set their own rules. Note the resistance to accepting vouchers by most Catholic schools because they come at the price of adherence to state and federal mandates.

I will say this, the public thinks that private schools quickly kick kids out over behavior issues. Not true. Many can't afford to toss out more than one or two extreme cases and still meet budget. At $13.5 a year for most Catholic high schools in Cincinnati, 5 students = 1 teacher's salary + benefits

Let Xavier say Kwanzaa is exclusionary of whites, ban it's practice because it doesn't comply with their diversity policy and kick people out for celebrating it privately (but for a cell phone video)

see how far that gets

 

[cincibuck]

Let Xavier say Kwanzaa is exclusionary of whites, ban it's practice because it doesn't comply with their diversity policy and kick people out for celebrating it privately (but for a cell phone video)see how far that gets

I hear you, but the Jesuits of today embrace a certain amount of that PC diversity - Kwanzaa good, profiling bad. I think they'd encourage their students - regardless of race or ethnicity to share in the celebration of Kwanzaa. But tell a Bishop that his archdiocesan schools had to present information on birth control and allow non-catholic students to opt out of religion classes or lose state funding for auxiliary services and busing and the fecal matter would strike against the air circulating device.

 

[jwinslow]

BKB or other legal types, is Oklahoma within their guidelines (ie student code of conduct?) to expel these jerks?

If yes, can a good lawyer still sue for wrongful dismissal due to the vague limits of those rules?

 

[Mike80]

BKB or other legal types, is Oklahoma within their guidelines (ie student code of conduct?) to expel these jerks?

If yes, can a good lawyer still sue for wrongful dismissal due to the vague limits of those rules?

I was wondering the same - if they choose to expel them for something along the lines of "creating a hostile environment" I could see it standing up....

Either way - Thank Gaia for AllahGore for inventing the Interwebs and by extension social media so stupidity as pure and deep as what these Frat morons did can be exposed for all to see....

 

[alexhortdog95]

I was wondering the same - if they choose to expel them for something along the lines of "creating a hostile environment" I could see it standing up....

Either way - Thank Gaia for AllahGore for inventing the Interwebs and by extension social media so stupidity as pure and deep as what these Frat morons did can be exposed for all to see....

First - from SAE's Frat Laws Doc (http://www.saerecord...ternityLaws.pdf)

Mission Statement of the Sigma Alpha Epsilon Fraternity

The mission of Sigma Alpha Epsilon is to promote the highest standards of friendship, scholarship and service for our members based upon the ideals set forth by our Founders and as specifically enunciated in The True Gentleman.

Principles

1. To develop in our members the skills which will facilitate their making deep and meaningful friendships throughout their lives.
2. To provide our undergraduate members with a physical and organizational environment conducive to their pursuit of academic excellence.
3. To help our members better understand and experience diversity and change and to enhance their respect for individuality and personal integrity.
4. To foster personal development of our members including leadership, scholarship, citizenship, social and moral responsibility.
5. To develop in our members a sense of duty for individual and group involvement in social interactions, service and community outreach.
6. To provide our members with guidance, support and standards based upon the ideals embodied in our Ritual.
7. To develop, maintain, and enforce standards and expectations for the conduct of our members within and outside of the Fraternity.
8. To provide our members with life-long fraternal experiences that are productive, rewarding and enjoyable.
Bringing myself out of my self-imposed sports hibernation to weigh in on this one.

Second - Student code of conduct from the University of Oklahoma, Norman (page 2: http://www.ou.edu/co...tudentCode.pdf)

Direct Administrative Action
In collaboration with the appropriate University official, the UVPSA or other appropriate administrative official vested with such authority, may immediately take Direct Administrative Action, which he/she deems necessary for the welfare or safety of the University Community; to maintain order on the campus and preserve the orderly functioning of the University; to stop or prevent interference in any manner with the public or private rights of others on University premises; to stop or prevent actions that threaten the health or safety of any person; or stop or prevent actions that destroy or damage property of the University, its students, faculty, staff, or guests.

Also, a few pages down on the same document:

VI. Student Responsibilities

Enrollment in the University creates special obligations beyond those attendant upon membership in general society. In addition to the requirement of compliance with all applicable laws and regulations, the student assumes the obligation to comply with all applicable University and College regulations.

It is the responsibility of all students who are potential parties or witnesses to an alleged violation of the Code to participate in the conduct process. Students have a duty to cooperate and discuss the incident with appropriate University officials, adhere to stated deadlines, attend scheduled meetings, provide documentation as requested and participate in all proceedings. Failure to meet these duties may result in a decision being made without the benefit of the students participation, or may result in a student being charged with failing to comply with the direction of a University official.

Prohibited Conduct

These definitions include, but are not limited to, the following:

Very...first...one on the list?

1. Abusive conduct: Unwelcome conduct that is sufficiently severe and pervasive that it alters the
conditions of education or employment and creates an environment that a reasonable person would
find intimidating, harassing or humiliating. These circumstances could include the frequency of the
conduct, its severity, and whether it is threatening or humiliating. This includes physically abusing
a person or holding a person against his or her will. Simple teasing, offhanded comments and
isolated incidents (unless extremely serious) will not amount to abusive conduct.

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Funny thing is, the one kid's response. He blamed the alcohol (of course, he's a freshman on a college campus - of COURSE there is alcohol involved, tee hee hee) for what he did. But, number TWO on their list:

2. Alcohol violations: Possessing, using, providing, manufacturing, distributing, or selling alcoholic
beverages on or off campus in violation of law or University policies
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Thanks for playing, Mr. Rice. Also, I love the "it wasn't us, it was the alcohol..."

Yeah, sure. He's probably just going to his hip-hop roots and quoting this....

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[Mike80]

That's a hell of a lot deeper than I was willing to go on their stupidity

 

[BUCKYLE]

Well the other side of that coin is how can a school decide who to let in and who to let out based on what they believe?

What if some private school kicked kids out for believing in a different religion?

You don't want to go down the slippery slope of thought police and that is what most people fear when they see the way racists are ostracized today. Yes, their opinion is distasteful but what happens when the soccer mom/PC mob turns it's sights on some belief you may have?

I know the whole slippery slope argument and I usually agree. I always agree when the government is the one stifling speech, no matter how grotesque.
When it comes to people getting fired, kicked out of a club, being publicly shamed, or otherwise "hurt" without actually being hurt, meh. If the worst the thought police can dish out is you having to get your degree online or at a Mississippi school, it's not really enough for me to worry about some racist fucksticks.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I know the whole slippery slope argument and I usually agree. I always agree when the government is the one stifling speech, no matter how grotesque.
When it comes to people getting fired, kicked out of a club, being publicly shamed, or otherwise "hurt" without actually being hurt, meh. If the worst the thought police can dish out is you having to get your degree online or at a Mississippi school, it's not really enough for me to worry about some racist fucksticks.

Yeah I'm not so much worried about them as me or anyone else who may run afoul of the mob at some point.


I'd also argue losing a job is hurt without quotes.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I've lost jobs for less.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I don't think these clowns have a leg to stand on legally. Seeing as the song specifically mentioned lynching, I would think OU's lawyers would have a pretty easy time invoking the threatening environment provision.

 

[OH10]

I don't feel bad for the kids because life isn't fair and actions have consequences, but I think expelling them is excessive. Especially from a public school. That's probably the liberal in me appreciating the fact that they've expressed genuine remorse. I'm a sucker for that shit.