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bigdog3300
The G.O.A.T.
Be careful what you wish for....
Stu is legit one of the best OL coaches alive. The fact that some talk about the guy like they want him to leave is beyond crazy to me.
I agree that PFF isn't the end all be all, but they had OSU ranked #1 overall; https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-offensive-line-rankings-top-10-units-ahead-of-week-11-2021
All 5 spots on this line were brand new or in brand new spots, starting center last minute out for the year, inserting a freshman...NPF swapped sides, Munford moves inside, Wypler injected as a starter, Paris moved to the inside, Dawand's first year as a starter. All of that.......all of that and he still has the #1 line....and we are okay with seeing him go? Come on, there are many coaches on this staff you should be talking about before Stu.
One of the few things I think people can point to is their performance against Michigan, and that has far more to do with the incredibly predictable offensive playcalls that put them in a no win situation....if you know it's a run or pass with near certainty, good luck blocking that consistently. The other item would be the run blocking wasn't as good as it could have been - but when you start 4 tackles with the clear focus on pass protection for your freshman QB and protecting him, that was something you knew you were going to give up a bit. And I don't think that was a mistake either, that was the right decision.
Lastly, Stu is not one of my relatives, at least as far as I know.
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Onebuckfan
classof76
I can’t believe Stu was pushing for 4 OTs he knows more about OL play than that.
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bigdog3300
The G.O.A.T.
You're starting a freshman QB who has his first two starts being a night road conference game when he just lost his center and then a top 10 Oregon. Back to back weeks. Oh, and he's dinged up with a bad shoulder and you have zero faith in his backups.
So no, starting 4 tackles to have the best pass protection possible is not a bad decision in the least given the above.
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Tanner
Legend
The problem as I see it (which has to fall on Stud's door) is that the reason they put the 4 OT's on the field is that in previous years they were a good run blocking unit but not a great pass blocking unit. So you put the 4 tackles on the field and you're better at pass blocking but now you can't push people around and run the ball. There's just too much inconsistency with his unit.
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Onebuckfan
classof76
Playing people in positions they never played till weeks before game 1 and switching sides seemed risky then. But I guess I was wrong. It’s just that they were soft as charmin according to Gattis.
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I get that he is a good OL coach … let me break this into two topics
Recruiting:
well his recruiting chops lack and we constantly seem to be needing guys who are way down on the list… Look I get OL is the hardest thing to project and recruit but depth is lacking and he’s filling it with 3-4 year projects more than guys who might be somewhat ready to play in a year…
‘17 - Davis (G), Myers (C), Munford (T) - holy shit the trinity right here all 3 were hits.
‘18 - NPF (Schaino reeled him in)(T), Jones (G), Wray (Transferred/retired)(T i guess)
‘19 - Miller (C/G), Vimahi (G), Jacoby (Transferred) (T), D Jones(T), J Jackson (G)
‘20 - P Johnson(T), Wypler (C), Toutant (T), Fryer (G), James (G), Leroux (T)
’21 - D Jackson (G), Christman (G), Michalski (T)
’22 - Tshabola (T?), Fitzpatrick (T), Henry (T?)
it seems to be a cycle of bring in 3 … oh crap we need bodies bring in 5 for two cycles and repeat.
Coaching:
4 Tackles was a horrible idea from the onset I know the Miller thing allegedly threw everyone and he was the next thing at center but he had never played center until college and looked a lot better in ‘20 as a Guard… I get that Munford wanting to move inside because NFL told him he’d be playing guard at the next level and “best 5” stuff but its clear they were not going up against a good front 4 or front 6/7 in practice … G’s in my opinion need to be able to move people… tackles taking on DTs inside is just not gonna work … Yes the passing numbers good but watching a number of those games I saw the line getting collapsed a lot and if not for Earth, Wind, and Fire getting open Stroud woulda been sacked more or had more incompletions … .
yes the unknown is always a risk… Stud is what Stud is … a mediocre recruiter, at times a good/great developer of talent, and decent on game day it seems. I feel like we can do better…
just my admittedly uninformed opinion on the OL… because the OL is a freakin crap shoot.
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osuvictory1
Just a schlub from Y-town
Not sure what to think. Seems like recruiting is tanking just from optics. The big thing is, if your whole approach is we are going to primarily be about outscoring the opponent by aggressive playcalling on offense, the Oline better be top notch.
Maybe we should just pay 5 star Oline recruits 50k a piece like Texas and just let Stud coach. Lol.
Idk I'm guessing as much as everybody else. When I read more than one Buckeye wonk complain, then I am thinking there is a legit issue.
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I am somewhat ambivalent on Stud. There have been some individual OL recruits he has brought in or helped on that were phenomenal. He also has a tendency to miss the Plan A or B guys. This year the OL was inconsistent and perhaps we should have somewhat expected that losing Myers and Davis...but you get NPF, Munford and Dawand back (and to some extent M Jones), and you think we would have had an elite OL even without Miller. They were very good against poor-average competition, and suspect against better competition...that is not elite.
Stud has certainly seemed to have developed some OL over the years and overall I think has performed well. As many have said in here, it is tough for us to know the full story. But the question is there someone out there to coach the OL that is better than Stud that we can bring in right now? I think the answer so far has to be no and I am not aware of anyone that would be a marked improvement at the position. But his job is definitely not safe imo and NPF and Munford leaving is going to be a huge blow. Wypler struggled like hell, PJ seems legit and I hope M Jones and Miller are back, but I don't know that is confirmed? I want to be optimistic but the OL could be a real issue next year. If it is, then I don't think Stud is coming back.
Stud has certainly seemed to have developed some OL over the years and overall I think has performed well. As many have said in here, it is tough for us to know the full story. But the question is there someone out there to coach the OL that is better than Stud that we can bring in right now? I think the answer so far has to be no and I am not aware of anyone that would be a marked improvement at the position. But his job is definitely not safe imo and NPF and Munford leaving is going to be a huge blow. Wypler struggled like hell, PJ seems legit and I hope M Jones and Miller are back, but I don't know that is confirmed? I want to be optimistic but the OL could be a real issue next year. If it is, then I don't think Stud is coming back.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
Stud gets at least some blame for not having a nasty run blocking OL but is that what type of game that Day actually plays? Don’t blame Stud for that.
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OregonBuckeye
Semper Fi Buckeyes
Day was the coach when JK broke the school rushing record and Teague tacked on another 500+. I think like most coaches, he wants balance.
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