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Old NFL Championship vs. Super Bowl

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tibor75 said:
10 and 5. The Bengals have 6 and 2 in the same time period with 2 super bowl loses (versus zero super bowl apperances by the Browns). The point is that neither has won in 30 years. Yep, great legacy. :roll1:
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No, your real point is, fuckhead, that you take every opportunity to rip into anything that has to deal with the city of Cleveland. You distinctly said, quote: "the Browns have been as big of a laughingstock as the Bengals since both teams were in existence." I proved your camel-blowin' ass wrong, and now you change your tune. So, now you say a team has to win a Super Bowl to be legit? By the way, the Bengals have been in existence for 36 years and have two league title game appearances with no titles...the Browns have been in existence for 54 years and have 11 league title appearances with four titles. I'd rather be 4-for-11 than 0-for-2. Oh yeah, entering this season, Cleveland's all-time record is a very respectable 406-329-10 (.552), including post-season games...and that includes our expansion years of 1999-2003. I'd say that makes the Cleveland Browns a pretty legitimate pro football franchise.
 
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Bet your ass I told Tibs to get over here. We're in the vocal minority here and have to stand up to the evil empire from the North, notwithstanding scUM.

Anyhoo, here's something I heard on Columbus Sports Radio yesterday. They were talking about why CBS didn't switch to the Bengals vs. Ravens game in the 4th quarter but instead showed us the Browns vs. Patriots to conclusion.

This knucklehead Browns fans was standing up for the local CBS affiliate staying with the Browns game until the end and said, "I'm a life-long Browns fan ever since the days of Brian Sipe, Ozzie Newsome, and Enos Slaughter etc....."

Are you fucking kidding me, Enos fucking Slaughter?" Isn't he a hall of fame baseball player? The guy didn't even know it was Webster Slaughter. I know that and I hate the Browns!

Just showed the idiocy of most Browns fans!
 
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I think Enos Slaughter played with Manny Ortez :slappy:


Seriously, yes, he is most famous for scoring from first on a single as his "Mad Dash" won game 7 of the 1946 World Series.
 
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The 1968 Colts and the 1969 Vikings were NFL Champions. That was still before the Super Bowl. I consider any NFL champion an actual champion. The Super Bowl was just something to bring in more money. A Championship is still a championship. Actually, teams back then were tougher than teams today. That's fact. Now you can't even breathe on a QB or they throw a flag. lol
 
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The Bengals are much more a legitimate NFL franchise than that sorry-excuse-for-an-organization in Cleveland. I am to the point where I am amazed that anyone has any energy to support such a team and even more amazed that anyone would waste their time making fun of said franchise. The Browns are self-mocking.
 
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A) Television
B) Money
C) Hype

It's all bull shit. Do we take away what Babe Ruth accomplished because he played in an all-white era? Because he played very few night games? Because there were no relief pitchers to speak of, just guys with worn out arms who could go one or two innings? Because there were/and still are/ two sets of rules by which MLB games are played? No.

The AAFC folded because it couldn't get any TV money. The AFL stuck because there was a market, TV needed product and their owners had bucks to throw at draftees.

What pisses me off is that AFL records were allowed to be carried over after the merger, but not records from the AAFC - where would Lou Groza stand in the all time records if his AAFC field goals and extra points had been carried over? Same for Otto Graham, MacSpeedie and Horace Gillam's punting records. all of them proved to be of NFL level once the AAFC folded.
 
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closer2theheart68 said:
The 1968 Colts and the 1969 Vikings were NFL Champions. That was still before the Super Bowl. I consider any NFL champion an actual champion. The Super Bowl was just something to bring in more money. A Championship is still a championship. Actually, teams back then were tougher than teams today. That's fact. Now you can't even breathe on a QB or they throw a flag. lol
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That's actually the definition of an opinion.
 
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closer2theheart68 said:
The 1968 Colts and the 1969 Vikings were NFL Champions. That was still before the Super Bowl. I consider any NFL champion an actual champion. The Super Bowl was just something to bring in more money. A Championship is still a championship. Actually, teams back then were tougher than teams today. That's fact. Now you can't even breathe on a QB or they throw a flag. lol
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I wish I had seen this when originally posted. The NFL Champion 1968 Colts and 1969 Viking were not before the Super Bowl. That is the point of the original question I posed in this thread. Both teams were NFL Champions, but both lost in the Super Bowl.
 
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