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martinss01
blissfully stupid
not so much, but its worth discussing. fire up the thread, i have completely illogical and groundless thoughts to share on that topic as well :).
its worth consideration i think. far too many oddities in our species and we haven't even started discussing mili yet :p.
on food - outside of an equator based beach location i really can't think of any other environment where we could just walk around and find readily available food without much physical effort to obtain it year round. most fruits are only available during specific seasons. actually... what about coconuts? are they year round?
on weather - even the warmest locations have occasional weather that without fire or clothing can be lethal. just not sure how we managed to avoid that while we figured out the other stuff.
[qutoe]But I think you're right - we are kinda alone in our niche. What other species has made extinct all competitors for its resources, like we have with all other near-human relatives (Neanderthals, Australopithecus, to name a few)?[/QUOTE]
thats still a theory though correct? granted its one i suspect is more likely than not... but i don't think we have a lot of real evidence one way or another outside of us showing up and everyone else seems to skip town. at least i think thats what the most recent findings in europe seem to indicate.
just watched the preview for it. seems rather interesting. i think we have covered running as a hunting tactic and likely effectiveness. but definitely something im going to look for. thanks for the recommendation :).
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This thread would be better with a basic scientific understanding of human evolution before the weird theories on it.
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I always love elitism with science, as though we don't prove how clueless we are every so often. I love scientific discovery and advancement, and part of that is built on the realization that we only think we know some stuff and are open to the regular humblings that science provides.
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There isn't an elitism here. If someone is discussing Harry Potter without having read the books or watched the movies, I would think it would be better if they did. I would not consider Harry Potter readers expressing this view "elitists."
This is a poor, old, used conservative talking point.
Look, fine, I'll help, but this is in minutes and free form off the top of my head:
Evolution is not Darwinism. It is not "survival of the fittest." It also doesn't mean something reaches a "greater" form, just the most current one.
It is simply genes reoccurring due to reproduction, for many reasons.
Some may include sexual selection, like a tail that looks really cool on a peacock. It has no other function than to be sexual.
Social evolution includes many things. One, for instance, is altruism. The idea is, that after there are enough males to reproduce, the society as a whole benefits from having more males for no reason other than defense: hence homosexuality in many animals. If a male has sex with one female 1/2 of his genes carry over. If a homosexual male has sex with no other female but permits sisters to live, he can achieve the same number of genes passed down.
It doesn't stop there. I'll go at length if anyone wants.
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Regarding the aquatic ape theory, I have to admit it is tantalizing. But if one studies anthropology more, everything is explained differently. And the idea we couldn't survive on the Savannah or whatever is ridiculous, hell, some people do it now with few changes.
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I am really annoyed by the "elitist" thing, though maybe, and probably, I took it the wrong way.
If people were talking about trigonometry would one be elitist to mention what i or e means? Or would they simply be pointing out that the discussion would be better if people were educated on the subject first?
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You're probably on the wrong board, then.
Do we completely redefine our foundational theories and foundations about trigonometry very often?
I have no problem with evolution and have always felt that creation is far too complicated and remarkable for the boxes we like to place them in (whether creationist or atheist). People have constructed all sorts of boundaries with their opinions masquerading as facts about the origin of life.
I am fascinated by our new voyages into extra dimensions, redefining time and all sorts of other
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Congratulations! You've hit on one of my too many studies (I'm sure you know them by now).
Theoretical physics is not "elitist." Again, it is just describing, or attempting to determine the nature of, what is.
Why is anything we've spoken about elitist?
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Sorry, I'm being flippant and mixing my terms. I shouldn't have used the term elitist the second time, that should have been "advanced"
The elitist is someone who convinces himself he has it all (or most of it) figured out, as though we are shown the folly of that viewpoint.
I think theoretical physics is great. I think it's also yet another example where we learn just how little we knew a decade ago, and how little we understand the potential that it could unlock. I also see a closer alignment with a creator than a rebuttal of one, but that's obviously a personal prejudice.
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
true statement, but if approached in such a manner this conversation almost certainly would not belong in the philosophical musings forum... besides, how basic is your expectation of the groups understanding of accepted human evolution? would a simple diagram of believed overly hairy ancestors have sufficed or should i have started the thread full blown thesis style? :p really not trying to be a jerk here. i just assumed everyone on the board has had at least some exposure to the hairless ape theory. i started this thread simply to prompt conversation on what on the surface appears to be some oddities with our species. i do not claim to be an expert on any scientific theories. just an idiot who watched a likely unhealthy amount of pbs as a child.
another theory that is likely to get me yelled at (and punched by any woman within swinging distance...). ours also seems to be the only creature in known existence that not only "can" interbreed at the phylum classification level but does so as a function of "normal" reproduction. as far as i can tell men and women are not only NOT the same species, but it seems we don't even belong to the same class on the evolutionary tree. i know this because men, being mammals and as such warm blooded, have the ability to self regulate our body temperature. women on the other hand are not capable of doing so. this is why their feet, butt and hands are ALWAYS cold no matter what the temperature is. based on this i have to assume they are some form of highly evolved cold blooded creature, potentially reptilian... *ponders*
nothing to apologize for. as the idiot who started this thread i actually take the "elitist" comment as a compliment. or at the very least an oddity. its not every day that someone who represents themselves in public as "blissfully stupid" is accused of being elitist
. humanity, let alone any of us as individuals, claiming to have anything truly figured out at this point is analog to a newborn sitting at a supercomputer believing they have managed to completely map out the network. *shrug* though im pretty sure we'll get that taken care of once we realize we're still just looking at the screen saver....
capturing animals and forcing them into what is clearly too small of an enclosure for varying lengths of time then training them to brutally fight others of their kind for nothing more than our entertainment... i think this is something we can all get behind :)
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