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OSU Men's Basketball Recruiting/Projections/General Discussions

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OhioState001 said:
It's kind of lame that he has Texas, Crieghton, Penn State and Oregon listed then. Penn State lost Carr and Shepherd. Doesn't make much sense but have fun kid!
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sure, texas and especially creighton are curious inclusions, but by no means is it lame that cremo has oregon listed. pretty much every publication has them ranked in the early top 25. as far as penn state goes, i don't think it's that odd. though they lose carr and reaves, the returning trio of stevens, watkins, and reaves is pretty strong.
 
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OSU_Buckguy said:


i don't presume to know what cremo is thinking, but i wouldn't be surprised if he's the player mentioned here:
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Frankly, if Cremo looked in great detail at both PSU and OSU, and concluded that PSU was more likely to be a tourney team next year, he is a moron. Hmmm ... let me count the times that PSU has made the tourney in the last seven seasons ... as many as Francisco Franco. And Tony Carr is still dead ... college eligibility-wise.

I honestly think Cremo mainly didn't want to come to OSU and be in a position where he is competing with CJJ for minutes. Basically, OSU already has a starting 2 guard. Lets say for argument's sake that Cremo did claim he felt OSU wasn't a tourney team ... no one would ever lie about anything because of their own pride, right?

Regardless, if he is seriously doubting CH and OSU, then screw him. CH will find a contributor or two elsewhere, they don't need a doubting Thomas on the team.
 
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So Cremo picked a list of 5 teams, maybe 1 of which is preseason top-25? 4 of the 5 were worse than OSU this past season. 2 missed the tourney and one barely made it with a ton of losses. Gonzaga is the only program in that group that has been reliably excellent. I am not seeing that particular group - when he is excluding Duke and OSU - as showing him really placing any particular emphasis on making the tourney as a main part of his decision.
 
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DZ83CK said:
Frankly, if Cremo looked in great detail at both PSU and OSU, and concluded that PSU was more likely to be a tourney team next year, he is a moron.
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i think you think that because you're an osu fan. i think if someone steps back a little, on paper, there isn't a massive difference between osu and psu for 2018-19. the only real scorers we return are jackson and kaleb. neither jallow nor andre nor potter nor young was a good or consistent scorer. i'm not saying that psu will be better than osu next season, but as of right now, the difference doesn't appear substantial. not at all.

I honestly think Cremo mainly didn't want to come to OSU and be in a position where he is competing with CJJ for minutes.
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i don't agree with that. it makes little sense. the competition would be with three true freshman and sophomores who struggled to score.

Lets say for argument's sake that Cremo did claim he felt OSU wasn't a tourney team ... no one would ever lie about anything because of their own pride, right?
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so he lied about the reason for not considering osu because he was worried about competing for minutes with three true freshman, three returning players who averaged under 3 points per game, and a fourth who averaged 4.1 points? what? that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. now it just seems that you're bitter and concocting scenarios out of whole cloth.

Regardless, if he is seriously doubting CH and OSU, then screw him.
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so screw cremo for not going to osu? and screw taylor for not going to osu? and probably screw mooney, too, right? i mean, clearly all three guys would have to be absolute scum if osu doesn't even get a single visit from the trio.
 
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nick norton, in q1 games (auburn, buffalo, mtsu, wku x2):

aub - 10 points (3/6 from 3), 1 assist, 1 steal, 0 turnovers
buff - 10 points (2/6), 5 assists, 1 steal, 2 turnovers
mtsu - 6 points (0/4), 3 assists, 0 steals, 0 turnovers
wku - 12 points (4/5), 5 assists, 0 steals, 3 turnovers
wku - 5 points (1/5), 5 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover

small sample-size average: 8.6 points (38.4% from 3), 4.75 assists, 0.6 steals, 1.2 turnovers


 
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OSU_Buckguy said:
i think you think that because you're an osu fan. i think if someone steps back a little, on paper, there isn't a massive difference between osu and psu for 2018-19. the only real scorers we return are jackson and kaleb. neither jallow nor andre nor potter nor young was a good or consistent scorer. i'm not saying that psu will be better than osu next season, but as of right now, the difference doesn't appear substantial. not at all.


i don't agree with that. it makes little sense. the competition would be with three true freshman and sophomores who struggled to score.


so he lied about the reason for not considering osu because he was worried about competing for minutes with three true freshman, three returning players who averaged under 3 points per game, and a fourth who averaged 4.1 points? what? that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. now it just seems that you're bitter and concocting scenarios out of whole cloth.


so screw cremo for not going to osu? and screw taylor for not going to osu? and probably screw mooney, too, right? i mean, clearly all three guys would have to be absolute scum if osu doesn't even get a single visit from the trio.
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Screw Cremo or whoever doesn't believe the coaches and players at OSU will be more successful than the likes of PSU. I don't agree with that logic at all. I was very clear that CJ Jackson is the main reason why I believe Cremo isnt coming, yet you ignore CJ completely in your silly critique. If a team has an entrenched starter who is similar to you already, you are not likely to pick them for a grad transfer year, that is the reality of why Cremo isnt picking OSU.
 
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OSU_Buckguy said:
as far as penn state goes, i don't think it's that odd. though they lose carr and reaves, the returning trio of stevens, watkins, and reaves is pretty strong.
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If Cremo dusted OSU because he doubts its tourney chances, I can't really take issue with that. But he's kidding himself if PSU isn't in the same boat (or a worse one). While they return some talent, we're talking about a team in PSU that loses their best player (by far) in Carr, who will probably be a first round pick in the draft, and Garner who, in addition to being the 4th leading scorer, was a senior leader for that team. I don't see how anyone could look at PSU, an NIT team this past season which will suffer those two huge losses, and conclude that it'll vault into the tournament this year.
 
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I think PSU has a better returning core than us. Watkins and Stevens make up a very good front court, maybe best in the league next year. They do not have much depth, or quality of depth in the back court. With a good scoring guard like Cremo, I think they'd have a decent chance to make the tourney next year, though Chambers underachieved with good talent this past year. Could also be that he sees a lot of scoring opportunities with them since the best 2 guards PSU returns are more defensive oriented.

It was also mentioned on 105.7 that OSU's athletics department hinted that we had to back off at least one grad transfer because he did not meet OSU's standards for grad school entry. I don't know if that could have been Cremo or not.

I certainly like our long term outlook better than PSU's as we've been doing better with recruiting and HOltmann is a better coach, but I think we are going to struggle a bit next year.
 
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I can't see flybuckeye's post but Wake Forest grad transfer Keyshawn Woods is visiting OSU this weekend. Would be a very nice pick-up. 6'3 SG that shot 42% from 3 at Wake as RS soph, 37% this past season, double digit scorer and Wake's 2nd-leading scorer. A slightly taller Kam Williams, maybe? He's not really a ballhandler, creator, or facilitator, so doesn't help in providing a back-up PG, thus we might still look at Norton to get the last scholarship if we do get Woods. But he does give us another scoring threat on the perimeter, which we desperately need next season, and he is experienced and proven at the high major level. So I think it would be a solid triple as far as a grad transfer pick-up goes.
 
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Personally, I feel Tony Carr was in some ways the best player in the Big Ten last year, and he will be the hardest guy to replace in the league considering he was at PSU who almost never has players at the level he was at, and generally recruits worse than OSU. Shep Garner won't be easy for them to replace, either.
 
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