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OSU/Wisconsin - 2003

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by devily_buck, Jun 10, 2003.

  1. 3yardsandacloud

    3yardsandacloud Administrator Emeritus

    I think you're right asdodge. A few long ball will help out. The longest completion is 46 yards against BGSU. I'm pretty sure that was to Jenkins on a mid level crossing route that he took (YAC) for at least half of those yards. The next longest was a 44 yarder against NCST, 37 agsint Washington, and 31 against SDSU.

    I think we'll see more wrinkles each week. One thing I'm fairly confident of ... with 2 weeks to plan Tressel will have a GOOD scheme for Wisky.
     
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2003
  2. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie

    I've heard more than one person mention the fact the coaches are holding plays back, and it might be true, but take the San Diego State game for example. I truly hope the coaches weren't just saving plays for the meat of the Big Ten schedule during a game we nearly lost because we couldn't move the ball. I guess I'll continue to be skeptical until they actually open up the offense, if they ever do.
     
  3. LightningRod

    LightningRod Senior

    No need to pull out all the stops. An excerpt from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

    OSU's TEs are better than PSU's TE, and there is no reason for the OSU TEs not to have a great day. Add to that the fact that the use of TEs in crossing routes or downfield routes should also open up the running game more, I see Wisconsin's D having a difficult time with our O.

    http://www.jsonline.com/badger/fb/oct03/174752.asp
     
  4. jenkinswoody

    jenkinswoody I heart Wendy Peffercorn

    i agree with nutty. i'd be shocked to find out that coaches were holding plays back just for the big ten season. i mean if we had blow outs earlier than that is a valid arguement, but i hope the coaches used whatever they had to win the game. although we may see the troy smith pass that has been set up or even new wrinkles that have been added over the bye week.
     
  5. slickman

    slickman keeping tan

    I think everyone on this thread has made a great post and great points. My opinion of Tressel is that he's more maniacal than anyone could ever really imagine. His obvious flaw is that he is a(n)- (o)possum disguised as a human being.

    Every play that has ever been thought of as a human being is (has to be) up there (nhisbrain). I would not even be surprised if he came out and ran the flea flicker every 6th and a half play (it would open up the running game a bit).

    I don't think he's storing up plays for any particular "Big Ten Season" or any "Season". I think he's storing up plays for the next 600 years.

    He'll throw out a nuance as a gimmick... like... instead of this guy blocks down he pulls and helps form a wall because the bubble screen which we never hardly run... blah blah (and this is why) blah... is really needed right now.

    To me, it almost comes across as a lazy sort of arrogance... but they are his players and coached to do what they are supposed to do. Maybe they're like hit-men. Surely, I'm dreaming a bit... but... I like the way I see it.
     
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2003
  6. The KSB

    The KSB 4-4-11/11-5-11

    I think JT has opened up the ffense quite a bit. We just haven't seen equitable results yet. A few non dropped balls here and there and we'd be reading articles about how the Buckeyes are unstopable. In time we may or may not see a wide open airial show. To be honest i don't really care. i just like watching the game.
     
  7. slickman

    slickman keeping tan

    KSB,

    You've hit upon my sentiments. I think the players will play better. They have to. Going hand in hand with all these pretty fantastic recruits is much better team chemistry (for lack of a more dull analogism). IF, Zwick had hit Irazarry... and lodged the ball in his facemask.... mass salivation would've ensued.

    (I Too AM a KSU Buckeye- 2.5yrsOSU/1yrSpaced/2.5yrsKSU/)
     
  8. lvbuckeye

    lvbuckeye Silver Surfer

    umm... then you obviously didn't watch the scUM game last year. we saved the wheel route and that option play for THIRTEEN GAMES!
     
  9. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    KSB hit it on the head. In the NU game alone, Irizarry dropped a sure TD pass, Jenkins dropped a pass that would've given us a first down at the NU 15 (ended up getting only a FG) and Hall dropped a pass that would've given us a first down near the NU 40. Catch those three passes, and we have at least 7 more points (Irizarry), a good possibility of 4 more (Jenkins...chance at TD vice FG), and a chance of getting into FG range (Hall). There's at least a 27-0 win, and possibly a 31-0 or even 34-0 win.
     
  10. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie

    Obviously plays are added all the time throughout the season and things are picked up on film where the coaches probably think a certain play will work in a certain formation against a certain defense. I guarantee the wheel route and the option were plays in Tressel and Bollman's arsenal all season long. Whether they didn't use them because they were "saving them for the Big Ten" or whether or not they didn't use them because they were not comfortable running them or didn't need to in order to win is open for debate. I'd be pretty pissed off if we had lost the San Diego State game because we were saving plays for Wisconsin. You do whatever you have to do to win the game, period.
     
  11. asdodge

    asdodge Newbie

    A Little Defense For Those Worried This Week

    All right, kids... before we go worrying about the defense and What Wisconsin's vaunted offense will do to it... let's look inside the numbers about the defense here. (I should just put this as a seaprate thread, but the issues were brought up here)....

    Last Years first 5 games:
    Passing Rushing
    Att- Com- Yrds- Td- Int Rus- Yrds-Td
    1. TT 44- 26- 341- 3- 1 20- 31- 0
    2. KSU 35- 17- 187- 2- 2 45- 171- 0
    3. WS 45- 26- 263- 1- 2 22- 17- 0
    4. UC 52- 26- 324- 1-2 23- 91- 1
    5. UI 32- 19- 283- 2- 0 28- 56- 0

    totals: 208-114-1398-9-7 138-366-1
    Co%: 54.81 YPA: 6.72 YPA: 2.65
    YPG: 279.6 YPC: 12.26 YPG: 73.2

    This years first 5 games:

    1. UW 49- 26- 255- 0- 0 24- 7- 1
    2. SDS 41- 24- 188- 1- 2 26- 28- 0
    3. NCS 52- 35- 315- 4- 2 30- 21- 1
    4. BG 56- 33- 326- 2- 3 23- 40- 0
    5. NW 25- 10- 64- 0- 0 40- 121- 0

    totals: 223-129-1148-7-7 143-217-2
    Co%: 57.85 YPA: 5.15 YPA: 1.52
    YPG: 229.6 YPC: 8.90 YPG: 43.4

    Okay, so what we have here is some information that says- OSU is better vs. the pass THIS year. Yes, OSU has given up a higher completion percentage, but are also giving up well over a yard less per pass and per completion. OSU has surrendered fewer TD passes while intercepting the same number as this time last year.

    And yet, they are actually better against the run.

    In all honesty, I think the level of QB opponents are a wash (Klingsbury- Rivers, Gesser- Pickett, Giuduglia-Djugolecki (sp), etc)...

    Despite the apparent "collapse" in the late stages of the games this year, OSU's defense has been better than advertised.

    So, now, are we going to fret and point out all the dangers of each team OSU will play- putting ourselves in shock over each opponent's dangerous offenses. Guess what, our defense is rather lethal, too!
     
  12. lvbuckeye

    lvbuckeye Silver Surfer

    while i certainly agree that i would be VERY upset if we lost a game simply because we were saving plays for later games, i think that (to use the SDSU game as an example) we didn't NEED to run anything else. hell, we couldn't even run the base package effectively, what makes you (figurative) think that using one of the 'tricks' would work? if i was Tressel, and i was planning on throwing something against tendency at them, i would be more than a little hesitant to try it if our most basic plays were failing. execution is key. if you can't execute the base stuff, you have (IMO) no business trying any funny stuff.

    EDIT: that was horrific. tressel only calls plays that work when the game is on the line, he is simply content to waste the first 50 minutes or so of the game by forcing the offense to go 3 and out, and putting the onus on the defense to score. when they FINALLY(!) attempted to move the ball late in the 4th quarter, they were largely effective. they (Tressel) seem to think that he can simply reproduce the magic of last season at any given time, and that was the downfall. if the Akron Zips can go into Camp Randall and score 31, or the UNC Tarheels can go into Camp Randall and score 27, there is absolutley NO EXCUSE for such offensive inneficiency. this team has more talent than those two teams COMBINED. i am disappointed that we lost, hey who isn't, but what truely sickens me is that this team was/is VERY capable of going up there and beating the pants off of the badgers.

    Alas, our Coach won't allow that.
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2003
  13. KillerNut

    KillerNut Banned

    Exactly.

    I am glad you see that, but what I am worried about is Fox vs. their wideouts.


    If Sorgi is on, and doesn't get pressure, that would be my concern. Not the running game. Then when we start pressuring the passer, the hit a big one up inside.


    This is the most balanced attack we have played. We can't pin our ears back and sic the QB, and we are going against the best O-Line we have faced this season.


    Do I think we will win? I do, but the more I read, and study the game, the less confident I become.
     
  14. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    "but what I am worried about is Fox vs. their wideouts"

    I don't know what Fox is going to have to do to convince folks that he belongs there at corner...

    "and we are going against the best O-Line we have faced this season."

    I'm not so sure about that...NCSU's OL was pretty good. Keep in mind that Wisconsin has played nobody yet.
     
  15. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie

    There is only one game in the last two years I can remember him getting abused, the Illinois game, and it's common knowledge he played hurt. He had a few PI calls against NC State and struggled a little bit but had no more trouble than any other QB would. He has gone up against the likes of Kingsbury, Gesser, Rivers, Dorsey, Navarre, and Pickett and has played on a high level despite the fact people attack him to stay away from Gamble. I have my theories on why Fox is criticized like he is but I'll keep them to myself.
     

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