Pepsi in a new can

[NorthShoreBuck]

When a politician is elected do they not place their hand on a bible to take the oath of office?


When you testify in court do you not place your hand on a bible and promise to tell the whole truth so help you god?

I just thought I'd stir the pot a little more. The "separation" of church and state is not so separate.

 

[MightbeaBuck]

I remember this from when I was a little kid, and watched this happen on a black & white television. This is taken from Red Skelton, I don't remember whether it was from his show, or if he was a guest on someone else's. It was pretty stirring at the time, and it appears that it came from before the "Under God" got added. (Therefore it was probably a rerun when I saw it in the early 60's)

"I've been listening to you boys and girls recite the Pledge of Allegiance all semester and it seems as though it is becoming monotonous to you. If I may, may I recite it and try to explain to you the meaning of each word?"

I
me, an individual, a committee of one.

Pledge
dedicate all of my worldly goods to give without self pity.

Allegiance
my love and my devotion.

To the flag
our standard, Old Glory, a symbol of freedom. Wherever she waves, there's respect because your loyalty has given her a dignity that shouts freedom is everybody's job!

United
that means that we have all come together.

States
individual communities that have united into 48 great states. Forty-eight individual communities with pride and dignity and purpose; all divided with imaginary boundaries, yet united to a common purpose, and that's love for country.

And to the republic
a state in which sovereign power is invested in representatives chosen by the people to govern. And government is the people and it's from the people to the leaders, not from the leaders to the people.

For which it stands, one nation
one nation, meaning "so blessed by God"

Indivisible
incapable of being divided.

With liberty
which is freedom -- the right of power to live one's own life without threats, fear or some sort of retaliation.

And Justice
the principle or quality of dealing fairly with others.

For all
Which means, boys and girls, it's as much your country as it is mine.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

"48 states" means it was originally broadcast before 1959, when Alaska and Hawaii became our 49th and 50th states, respectively.

 

[gregorylee]

Does anyone here know when the "In God We Trust" was added to the $$, or has it always been there. I have some dollars from the Mid 19th century and they have it. I would think that would set some kind of precedent.

Analogy:

We could all agree that CFB is our religion, and that the Shoe is our temple (I doubt anyone will argue this point). So much so that we rip a guy named Dodd because he didn't think so in his list of the greatest CFB venues.

Kathy (we will use this name because there is a lady here at work, her name is Kathy and she is pissing me off) does not like CFB or tOSU, so she sues the local business establishment where she works because when they have "Buckeye Fridays" in the fall she feels singled out because everyone else is wearing S&G and she doesn't want to. She feals that she shouldn't have to answer customers who ask why she is not wearing tOSU gear. She is sueing to abolish "Buckeye Fridays".

Personally I think this PC BS is just going way too far.

I pose a question to the good people of this board.


When there was prayer in schools, do you remember any kids showing up with automatic weapons and shotguns killing other kids and teachers and plotting murders at the school????

Just a thought.

 

[BuckeyeSoldier]

gregory i have no problem with any private business promoting religion all they want...

and ur right when there was no prayer there werent schools being shot up, but then kids were still beating each other up, not wearing helmets, climbing trees, playing backyard football, hunting, and were allowed to be spanked... the problem with out of control kids isnt religion, its the little old woman mentality that has taken over our country in that we must be protected from ourselves and no one ever has any responsibility for their own actions and kids are being raised by video games and tv.. religion may be one way to teach this, but it is by no means the only way...

as i said before, i am an atheist.. but i also have coached childrens baseball teams and most every fight ive ever been in my life has been because i stuck up for someone else.. you dont need religion to be a "moral", "good" person.. i promise

 

[gregorylee]

that is another part of my major bitch is that kids don't fight anymore. to paraphrase the dad from "Friday", when I was a kid we didn't need guns to settle differences. We did it with our fists. To me this seems so true, when I was a kid I got into a lot of fights and didn't have to worry about someone pulling a gun out. I quit bartending on the weekends (something I really enjoyed) because of concerns of someone I threw out or pissed off coming back with a gun.

I will agree with you that "religion" is not "discipline" but they seemed to hold the same time frame. Parents today need to learn that "spanking" and beating/abuse are not the same thing, and that accountability is one of the greatest lessons that a child can learn. When I was growing up, I will not say that I never got into trouble. I was taught that actions had concequences, good actions begat good results (beit grades from studying, or just doing something nice, or practicing and working hard in sports made you a better player, or whatever). In the same breath I was also well aware that screwing up begat bad results (whippings, bad grades, laps or the bench). My Dad had a belt, wide, with 2 sets of notches). I remembered that when I was having thoughts of doing something that I knew was wrong, there is also the thought that I could get a whoopin from school, the mom's in the neighborhood where ever, and then expect to get another one once my parents found out. I will not say that there weren't times when I weighed what I wanted to do against the whooping I knew I would get for doing it and still did it anyway. The thought of the concequence was always there.




I guess, short story long my point is that religion also teaches accountability.

 

[MightbeaBuck]

This is a big jump from Pepsi & "under God", but

In the name of religion there have been many terrible things done, and the people doing them, in the name of their religion, weren't held accountable. At least not on this plane.

My being a good Christian doesn't mean squat to how I rear my children. If anything from my religious learnings, I would use what I use for dealing with most of humanity: the WWJD? technique. But I would never say to follow the past examples of my religion.

There is a difference between discipline and self-discipline. Religion doesn’t teach either. It teaches a person how to reach Heaven, or Nirvana, or Peace-With-Your-Inner-Self, or whatever. The folks that attacked the United States on 9-11 did so in the name of their religion. The folks that tortured, then murdered, the “Witches” in the sixteen hundreds did so in the name of their religion.

I think what you are looking for is morality. Discipline, accountability, and religion ain't got nothing to do with it: you do it because it's right, or you don't do it because it's wrong.

A big jump? still kind of on the thread though

 

[jlb1705]

local business establishment

That's the key phrase in your example. Private and public entities are supposed to operate under different standards in this country when it comes to religion, as well they should. Public entities belong to all American citizens, and therefore, they should be equally acommodating to everyone. Theoretically, I guess you could acommodate everybody by giving a "shout out" to every religious tradition in this country - but a.) that's impossible, and b.) it would make the Pledge a real pain in the ass to say. Therefore, it's better to leave the religion stuff out of the government stuff, and just let all of the citizens do what they want on their own time.