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Program in turmoil (maybe not)

Discussion in 'Buckeye Basketball' started by Oh8ch, Mar 29, 2016.

  1. Oh8ch

    Oh8ch Cognoscente of Omphaloskepsis Staff Member

    I have been waiting for this thread but didn't want to be the one to start it.

    Love Thad Matta. Always will.

    So let's look at the program, without talking about the coach.

    Win-Loss record for the past six season:
    34-3
    31-8
    29-8
    25-10
    24-11
    21-14

    Conference finish:
    first
    first
    second
    fifth
    sixth (with a senior-laden team and a lottery pick)
    seventh

    Pretty simple trend line.

    And very slim prospects that this will change next season.

    Add a quote from a lottery pick stating that his teammates at OSU aren't putting in the work.

    Two straight years watching a team that, IMO, clearly has an attitude problem.

    A string of highly rated recruits who have not developed to their potential.

    A string of Ohio kids who have left the state and been successful.

    And now FOUR players who have at least stated an interest in leaving the program in the past four months, with a fifth if the Harris rumors prove true.

    If someone has comparable statements that they feel would describe a healthy program I am anxious to read your post.
     
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  2. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    So what is your solution?

    This is not a basketball school. A great coach or recruiter can have good success here but it's far from a given, and getting either of those to coach at osu is difficult.

    Fire Thad and I'd put your chances right around 2-3% of getting back to that first record in your pattern. I'd put the odds around 10-15% of consistently matching that second year total . I'd feel extremely confident betting that his replacement would closely resemble the end of that pattern.

    What Thad did here was astonishing. Not only did he recruit and win big, but he was there step for step with Izzo in b1g play for nearly a decade. That was a spectacular accomplishment.

    This program came unraveled with the amir class. That was a decorated class that badly underachieved and worst of all lingered for years. That class coat them a title run and later much more.

    Obviously there are a lot of flaws. Be very, very careful what you wish for in your emotional responses, particularly with replacing Thad.

    I think the assistants have left a lot to be desired and that was a common criticism before the talent level and discipline dropped. Fix that and see what happens.
     
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  3. MaxBuck

    MaxBuck 2014 National Champions!

    I didn't read anything in Oh8ch's post suggesting Thad be replaced. I sure don't suggest that myself. But I think it's appropriate to expect the problems to be addressed, and preferably to be discussed publicly with the fan base.
     
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  4. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    Thad wins with talent and defense.

    Gidden has the latter but can be found again. He has also shown the ability to recruit big men with far more talent.

    Harris is fun to watch and plays hard but was going to be a career backup and not the energizer that Kam can be off the bench. I don't want to see turmoil but I think Thad can recruit much better. All of the criticisms of him as a recruit proved to be true.

    And there's no need to discuss Mickey. That was very good for both sides.


    Not one of these guys would be a loss for a top basketball program or even some of Thad's squads that lingered on the fringe of that realm. The only reason it's painful is because there aren't any quick fixes coming in behind them.

    Now can we engage in histrionics and emotional guessing about the locker room and other things? Sure, but those are guesses. Things were hideous a year after the nc run with a petulant villain. They turned that around big time (no pun intended). Evan bought in and they signed much better talent.

    If you want osu to get better, more of the same is not going to fix it. You need to get back to what made them special and that is recruiting. They now have a lot more scholarships to work with long term.
     
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2016
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  5. Onebuckfan

    Onebuckfan classof76

    None of these departures surprise me .. This was not a TEAM this year IMHO. Clash of personalities or agendas whatever? Reset and move on Matta still gets a mulligan with me. I remember the endof the Taylor era but I don't think we are their yet. Maybe Thad will chose to move on but I don't see it.
     
  6. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    OK, then let's hear how you'd like for gene to address it, and how well opponents can use that tough love to negatively recruit that Thad is going to be fired.

    I'm fine discussing the trend, though I think it's a bit obvious to rehash just how bad things have become. Most of us aren't Henry and have been suffering through this with eyes wide open .

    I just want to hear something concrete suggested.
     
  7. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ





     
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  8. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

  9. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

  10. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    And maybe the most insightful tweets today. Click through to read adv comments





     
  11. EtTuBrute1

    EtTuBrute1 Newbie

     
  12. BayBuck

    BayBuck Buckeyes are best

    I'll admit I have also thought that Sweet-16-or-bust may be a not unreasonable expectation/ultimatum for 2016/17.
     
  13. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

  14. MaxBuck

    MaxBuck 2014 National Champions!

    I see expectations and ultimatums as two entirely different things.
     
  15. MaxBuck

    MaxBuck 2014 National Champions!

    Thanks for the tweets, Josh. Interesting that Scoonie is maybe the single Buckeye hoops alum that is most consistently and vocally supportive of Matta, given he never played for the man.
     

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