Proof of the Existence of God

[buckeyegrad]

bgrad:

My only response would be a question: to what end?

IF we're going to craft a situation where G-d creates mature objects/entities, THEN what's to be gained?

I'm not sure I was looking for an end. However, if I had to give one, it would be to provide a level of understanding as to why saying "science" interprets its observations as revealing a universe that is billions of years old is not going to be a persuasive argument to those who understand the Genesis 1 account as a divinely revealed, literal account of how creation came into existence.

For myself, I would also like to know if there would be things we could look for to show a 1 day old Adam is only a 1 day old creation of a fully mature man. Or are there things we could look for to prove or disprove a week old universe that appears billions of years old in its creation as interpreted by modern science.

 

[BayBuck]

For myself, I would also like to know if there would be things we could look for to show a 1 day old Adam is only a 1 day old creation of a fully mature man. Or are there things we could look for to prove or disprove a week old universe that appears billions of years old in its creation as interpreted by modern science.

Sounds like we need to come up with a universe-scale belly button test.

 

[jwinslow]

bgrad:

My only response would be a question: to what end?

IF we're going to craft a situation where G-d creates mature objects/entities, THEN what's to be gained?

not forcing Him to change Adam's diapers?

The very order of the creation account demands some level of maturity for the ground that suddenly separated 300 trillion gallons of water.

 

[Brewtus]

I'm not sure I was looking for an end. However, if I had to give one, it would be to provide a level of understanding as to why saying "science" interprets its observations as revealing a universe that is billions of years old is not going to be a persuasive argument to those who understand the Genesis 1 account as a divinely revealed, literal account of how creation came into existence.

For myself, I would also like to know if there would be things we could look for to show a 1 day old Adam is only a 1 day old creation of a fully mature man. Or are there things we could look for to prove or disprove a week old universe that appears billions of years old in its creation as interpreted by modern science.

Well even if we did find evidence that the universe came into its mature existence in a matter of days and not billions of years, that still would not provide any evidence for the existence of Adam or for God or the events described in Genesis.

 

[buckeyegrad]

Well even if we did find evidence that the universe came into its mature existence in a matter of days and not billions of years, that still would not provide any evidence for the existence of Adam or for God or the events described in Genesis.

I didn't realize that was what I was suggesting.

 

[Brewtus]

I didn't realize that was what I was suggesting.

Sorry, that wasn't directed specifically at you. Just a general comment with regard to the thread's name "Proof of the Existence of God".

 

[muffler dragon]

I'm not sure I was looking for an end. However, if I had to give one, it would be to provide a level of understanding as to why saying "science" interprets its observations as revealing a universe that is billions of years old is not going to be a persuasive argument to those who understand the Genesis 1 account as a divinely revealed, literal account of how creation came into existence.

For myself, I would also like to know if there would be things we could look for to show a 1 day old Adam is only a 1 day old creation of a fully mature man. Or are there things we could look for to prove or disprove a week old universe that appears billions of years old in its creation as interpreted by modern science.

not forcing Him to change Adam's diapers?

The very order of the creation account demands some level of maturity for the ground that suddenly separated 300 trillion gallons of water.

I was looking at it from a the POV that one of (if not the main) purposes of the Torah is instruction. In that specific purpose, there is something to be learned. Personally, I find there to be little substance to the lesson that can be learned by G-d creating a mature universe ex nihilo.

 

[AKAK]

bgrad:

My only response would be a question: to what end?

IF we're going to craft a situation where G-d creates mature objects/entities, THEN what's to be gained?

Wet Pussy.

 

[muffler dragon]

Time dilation.....

I was thinking about this quite a bit recently and it occurred to me that there is actually evidence that it is the nature of time itself to behave chaotically in terms of the "speed at which time passes" (if you will, not really sure how to phrase it)

I'm sure we've all experienced time passing at different rates - at least in terms of how it feels

For example, when you're bored at work, 5 minutes feels like an hour
or, when you're driving along and someone pulls out in front of you, time slows down for a few moments as you avoid the wreck...

Now, it's true that seconds tick away at the same rate, regardless of how we experience the passage of those same seconds... But.. the division of time into seconds is itself an arbitrary thing... humans made it up....

So, getting back to it - what if our personal experiences of time passing at seemingly different rates wasn't simply related to our own individual selves at any given moment, but was instead us perceiving that time itself does not "move" (again, if you will) at a constant rate at all in the first instance.

If I'm right, then "hyper inflation" is easily understood... it didn't defy physics... it didn't happen too fast... it is a consequence of the nature of time itself...

Just an idea...

Reminds me a LOT of the Through the Worm Hole episode on time. Time fluccuation or even the basis of time is seriously thought-provoking.

Wet Pussy.

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