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Game Thread Purdue at tOSU, Oct 20th, Noon ET, ABC/ESPN2

Taosman;2239903; said:
"Good teams find a way to win". I think that's the essence of what we are seeing. It doesn't matter if it's a "pretty" win. Winning is the bottom line.
If "pretty' really mattered, Oregon would be National Champion every year.
Th SEC wins with defense. The SEC has won the last 8 BCS Championships and is on track to win it again.

6...
UF x2
Bammer x2
LSU 1
Auburn 1

Texas was the last non-SEC team to pull it off in 2005.

Oregon might have the best chance in a while to knock of the SEC. They're fast on offense and actually play some defense. I don't know if they can pull it off with Bammer's lines, though.
 
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In my opinion in the last minute of the 4th quarter and OT, the 80,000-90,000 fans left, matched the noise level (and even surpassed it in OT) from any game this year!

There was no way in hell I was gonna give up on the team and leave....
And those that stayed definitely picked up the slack, the shoe was rocking in OT! Proud day for this team
 
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Mike80;2239879; said:
Maybe, maybe not. Take a look at the recruiting forum for more info I'd guess.

Without actually seeing or hearing the conversation between the two of them, who can honestly say one way or the other?

I guess that's what I'm trying to understand. Where did that comment come from? Considering there is a kid in Texas, and another in Georgia, I'd think there are at at least 2 linebackers worth recruiting.
 
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HorseshoeFetish;2239922; said:
I guess that's what I'm trying to understand. Where did that comment come from? Considering there is a kid in Texas, and another in Georgia, I'd think there are at at least 2 linebackers worth recruiting.

If Meyer did say anything along the lines of that, it probably would have sounded something like: "It's pretty slim picking when it comes to LB recruits this year."

I think Joey just blew it a bit out of proportion.
 
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TooTallMenardo;2239926; said:
If Meyer did say anything along the lines of that, it probably would have sounded something like: "It's pretty slim picking when it comes to LB recruits this year."

I think Joey just blew it a bit out of proportion.

Considering I think he said we'd be hurting at LB for the next 4 years I hope so.
 
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WaitingforKickoff;2239936; said:
Question for the board: on the double wheel route for the TD, was that supposed to be Klein or the safety covering the deep route?

Klein...it looked like the same cover 4 B.S. we ran the last two weeks where the LB mans up on the back. If not, I'm sure he should've had deep safety help but the way Purdue came out with that deep ball (and the QB set his eyes on it instantly), I'll guess they saw something they liked in the film room and felt REALLY good about opening the game with it.
 
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WaitingforKickoff;2239936; said:
Question for the board: on the double wheel route for the TD, was that supposed to be Klein or the safety covering the deep route?

Cornerback6;2239949; said:
Klein...it looked like the same cover 4 B.S. we ran the last two weeks where the LB mans up on the back. If not, I'm sure he should've had deep safety help but the way Purdue came out with that deep ball (and the QB set his eyes on it instantly), I'll guess they saw something they liked in the film room and felt REALLY good about opening the game with it.

Yes that was very obviously a planned play - that walruasshole coach of theirs basically said something to the effect of "we wanted to get up on them early" and that was the play that did it.

When Ohio State marched down the field and scored, that probably burst their little bubble. That kick return and the complete but expect incompetence of the refs missing the hold put them back on track. It nearly won them the game.

The point being: That was Storm's guy and he got past him because it's a bad matchup for Storm. That and I fucking hate the cover 4. It's too passive at least in the way that it's being played right now.

I still think the last 3 minutes of the game and the OT showed us a completely different attitude from this team. They were aggressive, smart and took the smart plays instead of the potential "big" plays. They played within themselves and trusted one another to make the plays in front of them.
 
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Cornerback6;2239949; said:
Klein...it looked like the same cover 4 B.S. we ran the last two weeks where the LB mans up on the back. If not, I'm sure he should've had deep safety help but the way Purdue came out with that deep ball (and the QB set his eyes on it instantly), I'll guess they saw something they liked in the film room and felt REALLY good about opening the game with it.

I think the point you bring up about film study is a good one. But to me that begs the question of self scouting and predictability. If you get burnt on the first play of the game due to these predictabilities, why wouldn't you change up, just a little bit? Even if its as simple as zone vs man in these early game situations. Most games you hear about scripted plays and what not, I assume they come from a sum of scouting your opponents and your strengths.

If we get burnt for 83 yards due to a safety falling down and losing a one on one matchup, okay. But this play took advantage of a weakness of ours on the first play. Coaches should understand our glaring weakness and attempt to cover them up.

Now, maybe this is a combination of Klein getting beat and the safety jumping the wrong route leaving this gaping hole in coverage. Had they executed the defensive playcall, could have been kept to a 15 yard gain rather than a TD. To be honest, the defense didn't play bad overall, so this is probably the more plausible explanation on this play. But I guess I have the luxury of being another video game coordinator that fixes real life problems on a message board.
 
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fanaticbuckeye;2239965; said:
I think the point you bring up about film study is a good one. But to me that begs the question of self scouting and predictability. If you get burnt on the first play of the game due to these predictabilities, why wouldn't you change up, just a little bit? Even if its as simple as zone vs man in these early game situations. Most games you hear about scripted plays and what not, I assume they come from a sum of scouting your opponents and your strengths.

If we get burnt for 83 yards due to a safety falling down and losing a one on one matchup, okay. But this play took advantage of a weakness of ours on the first play. Coaches should understand our glaring weakness and attempt to cover them up.

Now, maybe this is a combination of Klein getting beat and the safety jumping the wrong route leaving this gaping hole in coverage. Had they executed the defensive playcall, could have been kept to a 15 yard gain rather than a TD. To be honest, the defense didn't play bad overall, so this is probably the more plausible explanation on this play. But I guess I have the luxury of being another video game coordinator that fixes real life problems on a message board.

I do think you're right, but maybe Purdue was the first team to really see that vulnerability and try to exploit it? Either way, Ohio State's coaches are aware that teams are aware, which helps in preparing for it.

I did notice that Storm basically didn't play much after that play either, so I wonder if that was due to packages being run or if it was due to performance?
 
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Re-watching the game, after Hope's comments, this really pisses me off.

2 horsecollar tackles (one on Hyde, the other on Miller) without a single penalty called (someone already posted the rulebook that said pulling from the jersey IS a horsecollar tackle)

2 delay of game penalties that weren't called even though they called it on us.

block in the back inside the tackle for a safety even though inside the tackles is legal.

Blatant Holding on almost every single play and he's whining about OSU holding?
 
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LordJeffBuck;2239888; said:
I hope that she didn't give him a tattoo in return....

Anyway, some comments about the team and the game.

The main problem with this team can best be illustrated by a series that occurred in the fourth quarter. Purdue punts into the end zone, and Ohio State receives the ball at their own twenty with 6:03 left to play. On first down, Guiton throws a nice pass to Devin Smith, who catches the ball at the 28-yard line. If he heads up field immediately, he easily gets the first down and the clock stops with approximately 5:55 remaining. Instead, he immediately heads outside trying to make the big play, and gained one additional yard, leaving the Buckeyes with second-and-one and the clock running.

On second down, Carlos Hyde takes a hand-off designed to go between the tackles, but bounces it outside trying to make the big play; he loses one yard, leaving the Buckeyes in third-and-two with the clock running.

On third down, Hyde goes up the middle for no gain.

On fourth down, Hyde finally finds a seam and goes for nine yards, stopping the clock with about 4:25 left in the game.

So the Buckeyes had to run three plays and burn 90 seconds because Devin Smith tried to make the big play instead of making the smart play.

I have seen many players on both offense and defense suffering from "big play syndrome", and I think that it can explain a lot of the missed tackles, dropped passes, stupid penalties, and that sort of thing. Too many guys are trying to be game breakers instead of just making the routine plays all the time.

Ironically, the biggest offender is Braxton Miller. Of course, Miller is the one guy on the team who really can make big plays out of little ones, but I believe that many of his bad plays - misreads, hesitations, poor decisions, fumbles - come from him trying to do to much, trying to be a hero when all the team needs is a good soldier. Moreover, Braxton's numerous injuries are the result of his fighting for an extra yard or two when the smart play is to head for the sidelines or slide to the ground. Sure, it's nice to turn a 30-yard run into a 37-yard run, but not if you end up in the hospital as a result.

I have to "blame" Coach Meyer for this outbreak "big play syndrome". Coach Tressel emphasized making the smart play, Coach Meyer emphasizes making the big play. There's certainly nothing wrong with Coach Meyer's philosophy, but I think that some guys are having trouble adjusting to the speed of the game under their new head coach, that whole "two steps beyond" thing. Two steps beyond is great, so long as you are headed in the right direction to begin with. Eventually, the players will learn to go hard and be smart at the same time.

As far as the game itself, it was reminiscent of the 2002 season, when five games (Cincinnati, Purdue, Illinois, Michigan, and Miami) essentially came down to the last play. Barring something crazy happening, Kenny Guiton and Chris Fields will probably be remembered as the answer to a trivia question, but for that one moment two seldom-used reserves deservedly shared the glory of leading Ohio State to an improbable victory.

Even if the Buckeyes go 12-0 this year, which is a very real possibility, I really doubt that they will be worthy of a top-five ranking. Maybe not even a top-ten ranking. But after the debacle of 2011, it is nice to see the team learning how to win games once again.

As bad as Ohio State's offense has looked at times, the vaunted Michigan attack has been held to 14 points or less on three separate occasions, and twice they have been denied the end zone. Despite Brady Hoke's claim that he wants to run an I-formation power scheme, quarterback Denard Robinson remains the entire offense, and when opponents shut him down, the Wolverines go nowhere. It will be interesting to see how Michigan fares after Robinson leaves the program at the end of the year.

i try to make it a habit of NOT dinging, but there are SEVERAL ding-worthy 'points' in your otherwise worthless wall of text.

TL;DR give yourself an infraction.
 
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