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QB Dwayne Haskins Jr. (All B1G, B1G OPOY, Silver Football, Rose Bowl MVP, R.I.P.)

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pnuts34 said:
Agreed. Haskins has a higher ceiling, but the problem is do we sacrifice losing a game or 2 that Barrett may have won with experience for the sake of Haskins' future? I feel that Barrett can win a B1G championship and even a NC if the game plan doesn't include him having to win games with his legs and then his arm.
I think giving Haskins garbage time reps is integral to his future in the offense. He needs to know what it feels like in a stadium of 100,000+ people yelling at you. And you still have to make the plays
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Given the ease by which Alabama obliterates seemingly every top-10 opponent they face without an elite talent at QB, I'm not eager to test that hypothesis.

'17 Alabama-#3 FSU: 24-7
'16 Alabama-#4 UW: 24-7
'15 Alabama-#4 MSU: 38-0

As it currently stands, JT is a great leader, an even better young man, and a more than serviceable QB against the UNLVs and Armys of the world - but I want no part of Alabama with him under center.
 
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MDino51 said:
Haskin's talents may create opportunities that can offset any rookie mistakes he makes, so maybe a zero loss proposition in the end. Or best case he plays well with a higher ceiling and you come out ahead
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So you think worst case is a net zero? The kid has looked really good so far, and really bad in spots. Worst case is not a "zero loss".
 
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Haskins has a high ceiling and the future is very bright, but y'all are wasting a lot of keystrokes if you think Urban should bench JTB. JT will hold every single significant QB record in the OSU books for per-game, per-season, and a career, and he's already authored some new ones that didn't exist before.

JTB is not losing the job. Period.
 
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redguard117 said:
Given the ease by which Alabama obliterates seemingly every top-10 opponent they face without an elite talent at QB, I'm not eager to test that hypothesis.

'17 Alabama-#3 FSU: 24-7
'16 Alabama-#4 UW: 24-7
'15 Alabama-#4 MSU: 38-0

As it currently stands, JT is a great leader, an even better young man, and a more than serviceable QB against the UNLVs and Armys of the world - but I want no part of Alabama with him under center.
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You're failing to understand any of my posts about JT! None of those teams you used as examples had an OL or RBs to the caliber that OSU does this year. If OSU were to beat Bama, it would be on the strength of the OL, RB, the offense utilizing the RPO and a stout defense. Deshaun Watson and Can Newton beat them straight up, but other than that you need a sound game plan(like OSU in 2014 and those few Ole Miss games) and rely on only the QB.
Its funny that fans forget about the trepidation when Cardale was going to make his 2nd start faced Bama, and he didnt have the leadership or command of the offense that JT has. But OSU rode Zeke and hit a few deep balls to humble the Tide. Haskins has the arm to be able sling it like Cardale, but I wouldn't hand him the keys just yet fully, drooling over what he's done against Army and UNLV is a tease.
 
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pnuts34 said:
You're failing to understand any of my posts about JT! None of those teams you used as examples had an OL or RBs to the caliber that OSU does this year. If OSU were to beat Bama, it would be on the strength of the OL, RB, the offense utilizing the RPO and a stout defense. Deshaun Watson and Can Newton beat them straight up, but other than that you need a sound game plan(like OSU in 2014 and those few Ole Miss games) and rely on only the QB.
Its funny that fans forget about the trepidation when Cardale was going to make his 2nd start faced Bama, and he didnt have the leadership or command of the offense that JT has. But OSU rode Zeke and hit a few deep balls to humble the Tide. Haskins has the arm to be able sling it like Cardale, but I wouldn't hand him the keys just yet fully, drooling over what he's done against Army and UNLV is a tease.
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I see what you're saying, but I guess we'll have to respectfully disagree. Specifically, I just cannot see a game plan that relies mostly on successfully running the ball against Bama, as a viable strategy.

In Sabans 9 years at Bama, they have surrendered only 7 100-yard rushers. This is despite facing elite OL and rushers yearly in the early season OOC, the sec championship, the playoffs and the national title game.

They held Leonard Fournette to 79, 31, and 35 yards in his 3 years. Todd Gurley and Nick Chubb were able to pick up 100-yard games against Saban, but most of their yards came on a single long run with the game already well out of hand. Our running game is good, but we cannot say our RBs are definitively better than top-10 NFL draft picks.

And when it comes to our OL, we have some holes this year, in particular at RT and LG, which were exposed against Oklahoma. Alabama's DL is on another level altogether. I would not count on overpowering them.

If you want a case study of how Barrett vs Alabama would go, look at LSU the past few years. They are very similar to us in many respects - on defense, built on the DL and secondary, on offense a power spread predicated on an excellent running game (a la Fournette) and a game manager at QB. They recruit very well and use their talent and this strategy to beat most teams. But when they play Alabama - a team with more talent, and probably the best run defense in CFB, those games have been blowouts.

To beat Saban you need to be excellent in every phase of the game, and you need a QB who can consistently hit the intermediate passing game to open up running lanes. If you don't, you let them crowd the line of scrimmage, and no one - not JK, Mike Weber, Zeke, Fournette, or Gurley, is going to win us that game.

Anyways, I'll quit harping on this. I like JT, and hope we have success with him going forward despite my reservations. Let's agree to respectfully disagree.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
JT had nothing to do with that conversation. I was pointing out that Haskins' "worst" is worse than what the original post was pretending it to be.
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Fair enough, I may have misunderstood.

My understanding was that we were comparing Haskins' "best case" and "worst case" scenarios, vs just sticking with JT.
I.e. best case, we come out ahead in games against tough opponents; worst case is 'net zero' or we lose 1-2 games against easier opponents.

Apologies for the confusion
 
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redguard117 said:
Fair enough, I may have misunderstood.

My understanding was that we were comparing Haskins' "best case" and "worst case" scenarios, vs just sticking with JT.
I.e. best case, we come out ahead in games against tough opponents; worst case is 'net zero' or we lose 1-2 games against easier opponents.

Apologies for the confusion
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Ah. That might have been correct too. I agree that best case means Haskins > JT. That pick6 scared me off of Haskins' worst case, though.

Thinking more about it.....you are probably right.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
So you think worst case is a net zero? The kid has looked really good so far, and really bad in spots. Worst case is not a "zero loss".
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What do you think his bad qualities are? And I'm honestly open to hearing them. Obviously the pick six, maybe he gets a little too brave with his arm? I just find it hard to not believe in his skills when he is with the first team on the field, but maybe I'm not watching closely enough
 
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