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QB J.T. Barrett (B1G FOY, All American, Silver Football Award, 3x B1G QBOY, National Champion)

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martinss01 said:
just so i understand you correctly, your saying the kid who beat out the upper classman cardale not once but twice for the starting job was the inferior qb? the first time as a redshirt freshman. the second time after he lost his starting job to an injury (cardale didn't take over because jt wasn't getting the job done or because anyone involved with the team thought cardale was better, he did so because jt broke his actual ankle). jt didn't get hardly any reps at all in the spring because of said injury. i would also make note that jt then beat cardale for the position yet again under a position coach not named tom herman the second time around during the actual season so... not sure how not having tom herman anymore is a knock on jt but not a knock on cardale... is it because cardale was flourishing under the not tom herman guidance he was receiving..? maybe thats why... *ponders*



yeah, jt never had to deal with these issues thankfully... smith, thomas and marshall were his wr's his entire career and he was only successful because of them. not anything jt did.

speaking of, isn't it typically held that a qb makes their biggest leap during college in their second year as a starter? which jt literally missed almost the entire off season prep for because of injury. then missed nearly the entire season worth of first team reps because cardale had his spot in 1 part for winning the nc and another part because jt missed nearly the entire spring. and if that wasn't enough of a setback in his development, had a qb and offensive coordinator change during that exact time frame? so virtually no preseason reps. no starter reps during the season until the last few weeks. a new qb coach and offensive coordinator (both of which turned out to be less creative then bollman <-- DAVE'S NOT HERE MAN!!!). then! after that debacle of a season for him it actually found a way to get worse development wise. and yet the kid still figured out a way to completely rewrite not only the virtual entirety of the tOSU qb record books but a large chunk of the b1g record books to boot. if only we had made him a fullback instead. things would have worked out so much better for tOSU...

some of you have no clue at all how lucky we are jt didn't turn out 10 times worse than hackenburg. the kid had every single reason and more to literally collapse into garbage after his true freshman season and flame out way worse than the hack attack did. instead he damn near single handedly rewrote every qb record tOSU keeps stats for not to mention many of the b1g ones to boot. but then this is an entire conference with a long history of nothing but just [Mark May] qb's across the board so what am i even saying here?

the fact that he isn't considered the literal fucking savior of this team over the last 4 years by this fan base is a testament to our combined ignorance. if you disagree with anything i have said here, ask literally anyone currently on the roster or coaching staff and see which of us they agree with.
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Nice write-up. Serious, honest question time: do you think that JT will be on an NFL roster in 2019?
 
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Jaxbuck said:
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so 5 times in 6 years, Meyer has dropped a game he shouldn't have and that is what you choose to fixate on

sounds reasonable
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I'm fixated on dropping two games by 31 points in an 11 month span. In '14 he declared publicly and loudly that he believed he had a top 4 team.

Contrast that reaction with him dang nearly collapsing at the end of the Wisconsin game, and asking weakly "give us a shot."

I get it. He's an emotional dude. I'm an emotional dude. The people I work with love to watch me watch the Buckeyes. I'm a wreck more often than not. That's fine in a fan, but not so much in a head coach. When you combine an ultra-emotional coach with a level-headed, yet limited QB, crazy things happen.

Obviously Urban is a much, MUCH greater coach than I will ever be, BUT maybe if he mixed in Haskins the way he mixed in Tebow with Chris Leak in '06 things might have been a bit different.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
I'm fixated on dropping two games by 31 points in an 11 month span. In '14 he declared publicly and loudly that he believed he had a top 4 team.

Contrast that reaction with him dang nearly collapsing at the end of the Wisconsin game, and asking weakly "give us a shot."

I get it. He's an emotional dude. I'm an emotional dude. The people I work with love to watch me watch the Buckeyes. I'm a wreck more often than not. That's fine in a fan, but not so much in a head coach. When you combine an ultra-emotional coach with a level-headed, yet limited QB, crazy things happen.

Obviously Urban is a much, MUCH greater coach than I will ever be, BUT maybe if he mixed in Haskins the way he mixed in Tebow with Chris Leak in '06 things might have been a bit different.
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Maybe if JT was the coach many think he was tOSU would have been ready and kicked Urban,s ass.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Eight. Times. In. A. Row!

FUCKING EIGHT STRAIGHT TIMES!!!

You have Joe Germaine, David Boston and Dee Miller.....

Not ONE play action?
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Well they tried that one roll out to the right, and Germaine was sacked and fumbled, and then the ball rolled like 30 yards backwards.

And when you're up 24-9 in the third quarter, you probably should run it eight straight times.

I was in B deck in the North end zone for that game. Walking out of the stadium that day was like a funeral procession.

In the 41-14 game, I ended up sarcastically rooting for Florida to score again. Same with Iowa this year.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
Well they tried that one roll out to the right, and Germaine was sacked and fumbled, and then the ball rolled like 30 yards backwards.

And when you're up 24-9 in the third quarter, you probably should run it eight straight times.

I was in B deck in the North end zone for that game. Walking out of the stadium that day was like a funeral procession.

In the 41-14 game, I ended up sarcastically rooting for Florida to score again. Same with Iowa this year.
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They were down 28-24 in the fourth at the time.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Eight. Times. In. A. Row!

FUCKING EIGHT STRAIGHT TIMES!!!

You have Joe Germaine, David Boston and Dee Miller.....

Not ONE play action?
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Jaxbuck said:
The guy's strength is running, specifically the read option.

His weakness is throwing the ball downfield.

And you question Urban Meyer's judgement for using him as a runner.

Do I understand that correctly?
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That's become the narrative. But his 2014 numbers... kid was The Distributor. Whether it was his injury, the 2-QB fiasco, Beck, playcalling, new receivers with butter fingers (compared to Devin and Thomas esp), no true #1 after Thomas ... combinations of all that ... it's become this idea that he can't throw down field. I mean his deep ball was never as good as Cardale, but it didn't need to be.

I do think playcalling and lack of chemistry with receivers has a lot to do with it. Even Victor and Mack are dropping passes now =/
The QB controversy of '15, playcalling, and injury hasn't helped either. He's never really looked the same since 2014. And I do think we win the Playoffs with JT ... because he was still throwing at a high level back then, the players around him were stellar, and Herman was calling the offense.
 
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kujirakira said:
That's become the narrative. But his 2014 numbers... kid was The Distributor. Whether it was his injury, the 2-QB fiasco, Beck, playcalling, new receivers with butter fingers (compared to Devin and Thomas esp), no true #1 after Thomas ... combinations of all that ... it's become this idea that he can't throw down field. I mean his deep ball was never as good as Cardale, but it didn't need to be.

I do think playcalling and lack of chemistry with receivers has a lot to do with it. Even Victor and Mack are dropping passes now =/
The QB controversy of '15, playcalling, and injury hasn't helped either. He's never really looked the same since 2014. And I do think we win the Playoffs with JT ... because he was still throwing at a high level back then, the players around him were stellar, and Herman was calling the offense.
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The numbers for 10+ yards down field weren't materially different his '14 year from his last year (as I have seen them) hovering somewhere around a 40% completion rate.

The narrative, imo, is that he somehow regressed badly from some kind of great passing freshman to a maddeningly inconsistent SR. He has never been that great at anything needing to be thrown down field. His numbers mask that with a lot of short throws that go long.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
The numbers for 10+ yards down field weren't materially different his '14 year from his last year (as I have seen them) hovering somewhere around a 40% completion rate.

The narrative, imo, is that he somehow regressed badly from some kind of great passing freshman to a maddeningly inconsistent SR. He has never been that great at anything needing to be thrown down field. His numbers mask that with a lot of short throws that go long.
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His arm strength has always been mediocre. But he was a lot more accurate in '14. That showed against MSU's very good secondary.
He used to be money under 15 - and actually lead receivers. Now? Can't lie... I take a deep breath every time I see him drop back. The words of Woody come to mind - 3 things can happen and 2 of them aren't good. They've kept interceptions down in most games since '14, but only by becoming extremely risk averse.
The injury is part of it, but that wasn't the only thing that changed '14 to '15. A plethora of instability followed with the uncertainty about how to handle both QBs, coaching, new receivers, etc.

I'll always be thankful for what JT has done. Beat scUM 4 times, take us to the Playoffs twice, win the conference twice, smash all the records ... expending every fiber of his being to do it ... and still be chill as hell about the whole thing from start to finish. But we're also reaching a point where we need to turn the page imo. He leaves a National Champion, 2-time B1G champ, and slayer of Wolverines among other things... but we've also recruited 3 outstanding QBs behind him and a host of skill players that need more touches.
Would be great to put the icing on the cake against USC in the Texas Rose Bowl ... but not sure what team I expect to come out the tunnel this year. Either way, I'm sure JT will once again do everything in his power.
 
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