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Question for the Winslow Haters

Discussion in 'Open Discussion (Work-safe)' started by wolfamngstsheep, May 18, 2004.

  1. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

    if you didnt hear a peep about KG then you have been living in a cave. turn on a tv or a radio and open up the paper.

    yes...youre not looking for winslow justification. youre just starting a thread about it on an osu board


    people hate jerks. winslow is a jerk.

    uh oh....better play the race card.

    now that im done answering that rediculous post....

    i was in my basement last night listening to the disection of his comments for the 100th time (because i dont live in a cave) and i started formulating what i would say when the routine grassy flamers made their way over to bucknuts to ask this very same question. i decided that both actions were wrong. neither were offensive, they were just wrong and stupid. just 2 stupid people spouting off about a subject that is touchy (wayyy too touchy for my tastes).

    as for a reason why winslow got torched by the media and KG "didnt".....winslow is HARDLY kevin garnett. kevin garnett just won the mvp of the league. i dont even think winslow was the best TE in college football last year. this is what the media focuses on. if its a minor thing, they sweep it under the rug for great players. if its a major thing (rape, murder) they blow it out of proportion for great players.

    if you have issues with that...take it up with the media.
     
  2. RugbyBuck

    RugbyBuck Our church has no bells.

    Wolf, your conclusion that "the" reason that the media didn't give Garnett a hard time, assuming, of course, that it didn't, which is certainly debatable, must be either Miami hating or some form of discrimination is absurd. You can't impose a single rationale on a group of independent decisionmakers without resorting to stereotypes and conspiracy theories. Nice play, by the way, in a week when we are commemorating the work of blacks and whites to overcome real injustice.
     
  3. OSUBasketballJunkie

    OSUBasketballJunkie Never Forget 31-0

    its not the first time an athlete said something no politically correct, damn who really cares.:shake:
     
  4. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

    the miami fans who think any negativity shown of their program is the result of bias and envy.....rather than face the fact that their program isnt full of choir boys
     
  5. Bucklion

    Bucklion Throwback Staff Member Former Premier League Champ

    The white America argument doesn't even make any sense anyway, because I find it impossible to believe that a person using skin color as a bias is going to be LESS biased towards a kid from the inner city making $100 million chucking a ball at a hoop straight out of high school than they are a kid with a more affluent upbringing (with a father in the HOF everyone recognizes) who went to college. Doesn't make sense to me.
     
  6. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    White America hates affluent young black males and feels the need to make sure that just because a certian afro-american comes from a wealthy background they are still don't measure up to white american standards.

    It's comments and thought processes like these that are the precise reason why so many in "White America" are not happy lately. Why? Because whenever someone "of color" (I'm going out on a limb here, but I assume from your avitar and your comments about "White America" that you're black...oops, I'm sorry, you're "African American") cannot convince whites of their position or get their way, they immediately play the race card. If "White America hates affluent young black males", then why are those same black males so glamourized and idolized? You know...Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, Tiger, etc. It's because successful black males aren't really hated after all, just the punk-assed ones. And you know what? Many of the punk-assed ones are also revered by white kids (who are punks themselves), so spare us with the "We're black so we're so oppressed" shit.
     
  7. Buckeye737

    Buckeye737 Sophmore

    It might be different if "the soldier comment" was the first time KWII had run his mouth.
     
  8. BuckeyeSoldier

    BuckeyeSoldier 2 time Reigning BuckeyePlanet Poker Champion

    it might have had a little something to do with the fact that kg was talking up a game that hasnt been played and speaking metaphorically. while good ol kellen was crying cuz his team just lost and trying to justify his poorsportsmanship.
     
  9. No Place For The Truth

    First of all I'm white as bread
    so I can see both sides of the picture. I am very dissapointed with the typical run of the mill responses i've gotten on this thread.

    Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, Tiger, all of these people are galmourized because of they put a ball a hole. White America glamourizes them like know other because its another trap. The young black youths put all there stock in making it big in sports and do not put in any emphasis on education or a career and 90% of them fall on there face. Same thing with the record industry, for every thugged out millionaire on MTV there are 100,000 minorities whose life is in the shitter because of these unrealistic dreams. The good ole boy networks best work yet. It's not by accident the street thug is glamorized by the media if you can't see that don't worry your not alone.

    Maybe you didn't have your reading glasses on at the time, let me make it clear. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT KELLEN WINSLOW. THIS IS NOT ABOUT KELLEN WINSLOW ITS ABOUT THE HYPOCRISY IN AMERICA THAT TWO PEOPLE CAN MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE AND HAVE PUNISHMENTS THAT ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

    This is one of my favorite responses of all time. The how dare you play the race card. Maybe because the race card is played every day, you might not know it but it is. Whether its subconsciously are just plain good ole boy racism, racism is alive and well and thriving in our society.

    Debuckeye thats correct and that is the medias job to reinforce the glamour of street life to make sure that realizing education and hard work never come into play.


    So if Kellen says before the game that he' a f'n solider it's okay. Sorry I find that quite lame.

    Ah a week of racial harmony. Here's a feel good racial story for you to kick off this weeks festivities. I come from a good ole boy part of Kansas. In my home town a black family had just moved from the city last year. They had a 23 year old son. Last month he was at a party in La Cygne Kansas a neighboring town that is even smaller. That was the last time anyone had ever seen or heard from him. The party was on a Friday and he didn't come home all weekend. The local cops found his shoes and hat by a lake but did not find any evidence of foul play according to KC tv broadcast. After about 3 weeks the FBI got involved and found his body in that same lake his shoes and hat were found near. No arrest have been made, no suspects have been released. Tell that boys mother and father that we shouldn't discuss race topics because next week we will be celebrating overcoming real injustice.


    http://la-cygne.kansas.eachtown.com/city_info.php/cityid/13638
    You won't find any info about here, wow i'm shocked.


    Frustration grows in La Cygne over man's disappearance

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    [size=-1]By JOHN A. DVORAK The Kansas City Star[/size]
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    <!-- begin body-content -->LA CYGNE, Kan. — Allen Seimears drives by the white farmhouse just east of town on Kansas 152 almost every day, his feelings wavering between sadness and uncertainty.

    “I look over that way and wonder if he's back in that swampy area,” said Seimears, pastor of the nearby New Life Baptist Church. “I don't know if he's alive or dead.”

    If anybody knows what happened to Alonzo Brooks, they're not saying. The 23-year-old man last was seen at a party at the farmhouse. He never returned to his residence in Gardner.

    For nearly two weeks, people have been struggling to cope with his disappearance. Those people include not only Brooks' devastated family, but also law enforcement officers, members of an anti-crime organization and La Cygne residents who never met him.

    “They feel so sorry for him,” Seimears said of his neighbors.

    The Brooks case has been a leading topic of conversation here. Some express sympathy. Others worry a murder may have been committed, that a body eventually may be found in the hills. Residents know that if foul play occurred, the perpetrators might not be from here. Or they might be.

    The sheer mystery is troubling.

    “Don't have a clue,” said City Clerk Devona Herrin.

    The party, on the evening of April 3, reportedly was thrown by renters who aren't from La Cygne. Many of the dozens who attended, like Brooks, weren't from La Cygne. Boots and a hat belonging to Brooks were found later. Authorities, while declining to identify anyone at the party, say they have searched extensively in fields, creeks and marshy areas near the house without finding evidence of a crime. Brooks, they say, never disappeared before.

    Brooks' family and some townspeople fear that a hate crime based on a white-black conflict occurred. The FBI is investigating. Brooks is black; most at the party were white.

    “I would like to dismiss that,” said Jamie Wilson, a businesswoman in downtown La Cygne. “I'd hate to think it would be local kids.”

    But, she added, “You never know.”

    Some in La Cygne, recalling the John E. Robinson Sr. murder case, are uncomfortable with the attention for their town. Two of Robinson's murder victims were found four years ago at a farm west of La Cygne, but Robinson lived in and was tried in Johnson County.

    Law enforcement agencies that dealt with the Robinson case have been in La Cygne for the Brooks case.

    FBI spokesman Jeff Lanza said more than a third of the agents in the Kansas City office — 40 persons in all — initially worked on the case in an effort to find as many of the partygoers as possible.

    “There was a lot of potential witnesses to be interviewed in a short time,” Lanza said.

    Lanza said the FBI entered the investigation because of indications that “bias against this victim's race” may be involved. So far, agents have no firm indication of a crime, he said.

    Linn County Sheriff Marvin Stites, who aided the search for Robinson's victims, expressed frustration at the absence of clues in the Brooks case despite the hundreds of hours of investigation.

    “I'm running short of sleep,” he said.

    Stites is determined to continue. “We keep looking, we keep asking questions,” he said.

    Alvin Brooks, Kansas City's mayor pro tem and a leader of Move Up, an anti-crime organization, knows the frustration of dealing with disappearances. His group helped spread the word about Alonzo Brooks' disappearance on radio and by distributing posters.

    Alvin Brooks, a former police officer, called the FBI to suggest that the bureau investigate.

    Facts are tough to come by, he said. Move Up has received some tips. Alvin Brooks said there was talk of a fight at the party, of a racial clash, of a possible suspect from Nebraska. Authorities say a lot of alcohol was consumed at the party.

    “You've got to think something's wrong,” said Alvin Brooks, who isn't related to Alonzo Brooks. “You hope and pray for the best, but you brace for the worst.”

    That sums up the attitude of Olathe resident Billy Brooks, brother of the missing man.

    “The suspense is just killing the family,'' he said. “It's getting worse. We're thinking of so many scenarios, the things that could have happened.”

    Despite the lack of evidence, Billy Brooks said he fears his missing brother was the victim of a hate crime. He contacts authorities daily for reports.

    “We still have a little hope,” he said.

    Maria Ramirez, mother of Billy Brooks and Alonzo Brooks, has gone to the Rev. Jerry Sheeds of Sacred Heart Catholic Church in Gardner for counsel.

    “They need to place their confidence in God's will,” Sheeds said.

    Around the Ramirez house in Gardner, the atmosphere has been sedate. In the evenings, Alonzo Brooks used to turn on music in the basement. But now there is no more music. Relatives regularly visit and call. They don't want to leave Ramirez alone.

    “It's a numb feeling,” said Ramirez, who has taken leave from her job. “I hate to go asleep. It's hard for me to get up in the morning.”

    Alonzo Brooks was never a troublemaker, and the family has never encountered a crisis like this, Ramirez said.

    “Miracles can happen,” she said. “I still leave the lights on outside for him
     
    Last edited: May 20, 2004
  10. Bucklion

    Bucklion Throwback Staff Member Former Premier League Champ

    wolf,

    But my point above that I made still stands..I still don't see how someone who is racist or using race in their judgement would give a free pass to Garnett compared to Winslow, so I just don't think that can be it.
     
  11. Wolf:

    You found one double standard but how about looking at the difference between when eminem rapped about killing gays and beating women compared to black rappers including allen iverson. Allen did not grow up in the hood, he is from a very middle class area of northern Virginia. Double standards are everywhere, but I would say for the most part whites are held to a higher standard than blacks, although not always the case.

    Racism is alive and well in this country, some of this stems from peoples frustration with seeing blacks playing the race card and getting away with murder (OJ) or getting jobs or acceptance letters over higher qualified whites. Overall, I do think each generation is less racist, so things will continue to improve.

    If I am not mistaken, your point was that we give blacks that come from poor families a pass but not ones from wealthy families. I just do not see that, and why would it be specific to black or white and not just poor or rich?

    Why are blacks so different than every other minority group in this country (Hispanics, Jews, ect)?
     
  12. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, Tiger, all of these people are galmourized because of they put a ball a hole. White America glamourizes them like know other because its another trap. The young black youths put all there stock in making it big in sports and do not put in any emphasis on education or a career and 90% of them fall on there face. Same thing with the record industry, for every thugged out millionaire on MTV there are 100,000 minorities whose life is in the shitter because of these unrealistic dreams. The good ole boy networks best work yet. It's not by accident the street thug is glamorized by the media if you can't see that don't worry your not alone.

    You're way out of touch with reality, dude. White sports stars have also been glamorized--for decades--"for putting a ball in a hole" or some other goal. Same thing with whites in music...for every great rock or grunge band there are thousands of bands who don't make it. So if you think that "the white media" is fabricating this stardom just to keep blacks down, you're in need of some serious therapy. The only thing that's different is that the majority of the black kids failing in sports and/or music goals are poorer than their white counterparts to start with and probably have less other opportunities or have a harder road to travel...as a whole.

    The problem I see is the differences in culture. If you look at black athletes and music "artists", there is far more emphasis on self, bling-bling, and "the now", than among white athletes and musicians. How many times have white players started fights on a football field by dancing on the opponents' 50-yard line or taunting their opponents? How many white players have pulled out pens or cell phones after scoring a TD just for the "Hey, look at me" effect? How many white players have you seen thumping their chest or grabbing their nuts or making pose-down gestures after scoring a big basket? It's all "me first". Just like your boy Winslow, all pissed off because things don't go his way.
     
  13. FCollinsBuckeye

    FCollinsBuckeye Senior Former Game Champion

    A couple hundred years of institutionalized slavery, perhaps?
     
  14. "A couple hundred years of institutionalized slavery, perhaps?"

    OK to clear up my question: Hispanics and many other minority groups move to the united states and start from the bottom, most don't even have the support of their families, yet they seem to be making significant progress. Many asians move here with nothing and start their own business and within a generation or two have children going to ivy league schools. My grandparents moved here with nothing and lived a very poor life, but made there kids go to college and now their grandkids have opportunities they never dreamed of and I imagine the trend will continue in our family.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

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    I have no doubts that hard work, the importants placed on education and the family unit are big factors, opportunity is everywhere and with programs such as affirmative action there is even more opportunities for blacks in this country.<o:p></o:p>

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    Wolf seems to think that the white-man or white media is to blame for glamorizing athletes and artist too much in a conscious effort to force all blacks to aim for those industries, I just do not buy it. I believe it is a cultural issue and the fact that many have made a career out of yelling racism in the black community is hurting the black community, it has become a scapegoat for every failure, instead of allowing failure to become a motivating factor.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
     
  15. RugbyBuck

    RugbyBuck Our church has no bells.

    Feel better, Wolf? You must have been holding that in for a while. What, by the way, was your point with the alleged lynching tirade? That racism is bad and still exists? Thanks for clearing that up for us. Here again, though, you're using a specific case, the facts of which you don't know, to try to prove your point. The guy could've been lynched because he was black or he might have just been an asshole who shot his mouth off and got killed or he might have killed himself, etc. You don't know, so how you can leverage from there to an overall indictment of society is lost on me. You can't prove the general from the specific (or, in this case, the non-specific).
     

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