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Sloopy45
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Lemming on Eric Haw
If anyone else is a subscriber, you might know this already: I got the Lemming recruiting season recap in the mail, and we're listed as the 6th best class (right ahead of Oklahoma at # 7).
The most interesting thing that I saw was, listed as Lemming's "Sleeper" for the Buckeye class was Eric Haw. Lemming writes that it was a huge oversight on his part to not have Haw listed on his ESPN Top 100 National Players, and he expects the Frosh to have a huge impact for the Buckeyes in the upcoming season.
The more I read about this kid, the more I can't wait to see him play.
If anyone else is a subscriber, you might know this already: I got the Lemming recruiting season recap in the mail, and we're listed as the 6th best class (right ahead of Oklahoma at # 7).
The most interesting thing that I saw was, listed as Lemming's "Sleeper" for the Buckeye class was Eric Haw. Lemming writes that it was a huge oversight on his part to not have Haw listed on his ESPN Top 100 National Players, and he expects the Frosh to have a huge impact for the Buckeyes in the upcoming season.
The more I read about this kid, the more I can't wait to see him play.
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I agree. I hadn't seen Haw play until I checked out OSUBux Video Clips post on the recruiting board. He looks great - can't wait to see him in the S&G!!
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At least he admitted the oversight on his part. Then again, we all know Tressel really can't recruit. #2 class in 2002, #15 class in 2003 (with very limited schollies), and #6 class in 2004. Yep, time to let ol' Jimbo go...
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I'm really hoping Haw does well. Columbus Public isn't what it used to be. The level of competition would be my only hestitating factor.
He certainly has the measurables to be outstanding.
He certainly has the measurables to be outstanding.
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Sloopy45
Pimp Minister Sinister
Mili: "Then again, we all know Tressel really can't recruit."
You know what I never noticed? Our class was scrutinized for being # 6, but Oklahoma's class was # 7, and they had the # 1 and # 2 prospects in the entire country in Bohmar (sp?) and Adrian Peterson.
Another thing that struck me as funny was LSU at # 2. Their class is predominantly from Louisiana. How come, all of a sudden, Louisiana is this hot bed of talent in Lemming's eyes? How many prime time talents come out of LA when compared with CA, FL, TX, or OH? Makes no sense to me. It would be one thing if the class was a hodge podge of National talent (a la scUM), but how could a class that has 90% of its kids from in-state be # 2 when that state isn't known for its H.S. football?
You know what I never noticed? Our class was scrutinized for being # 6, but Oklahoma's class was # 7, and they had the # 1 and # 2 prospects in the entire country in Bohmar (sp?) and Adrian Peterson.
Another thing that struck me as funny was LSU at # 2. Their class is predominantly from Louisiana. How come, all of a sudden, Louisiana is this hot bed of talent in Lemming's eyes? How many prime time talents come out of LA when compared with CA, FL, TX, or OH? Makes no sense to me. It would be one thing if the class was a hodge podge of National talent (a la scUM), but how could a class that has 90% of its kids from in-state be # 2 when that state isn't known for its H.S. football?
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Sloops:
LSU did very well outside of Louisiana last year:
Xavier Carter WR 6.1 6-3/190 5 Palm Bay, FL 5 Star
Mit Cole TE 5.6 6-4/245 16 Picayune, MS 3 Star
Lavelle Hawkins ATH 5.9 5-11/170 4 Stockton, CA 4 Star
Brett Helms OL 5.7 6-3/300 16 Stuttgart, AR 3 Star
Jeffrey Jack DB 5.6 5-11/180 27 Houston, TX 3 Star
Chevis Jackson WR 5.5 6-1/180 52 Mobile, AL 3 Star
Herman Johnson OL 6.0 6-8/350 3 Denton, TX 4 Star
Tremaine Johnson DE 5.8 6-2/255 8 Galena Park, TX 4 Star
E.J. Kuale LB - 6-3/235 NR Dodge City, KS 4 Star
Mario Stevenson DB - 6-2/195 NR Booneville, MS 4 Star
Matt Stoltz LB 5.8 6-3/230 13 Little Rock, AR 4 Star
Tim Washington DE - 6-4/270 NR Stafford, TX 3 Star
Claude Wroten DT - 6-3/315 NR Moorhead, MS 5 Star
LSU did very well outside of Louisiana last year:
Xavier Carter WR 6.1 6-3/190 5 Palm Bay, FL 5 Star
Mit Cole TE 5.6 6-4/245 16 Picayune, MS 3 Star
Lavelle Hawkins ATH 5.9 5-11/170 4 Stockton, CA 4 Star
Brett Helms OL 5.7 6-3/300 16 Stuttgart, AR 3 Star
Jeffrey Jack DB 5.6 5-11/180 27 Houston, TX 3 Star
Chevis Jackson WR 5.5 6-1/180 52 Mobile, AL 3 Star
Herman Johnson OL 6.0 6-8/350 3 Denton, TX 4 Star
Tremaine Johnson DE 5.8 6-2/255 8 Galena Park, TX 4 Star
E.J. Kuale LB - 6-3/235 NR Dodge City, KS 4 Star
Mario Stevenson DB - 6-2/195 NR Booneville, MS 4 Star
Matt Stoltz LB 5.8 6-3/230 13 Little Rock, AR 4 Star
Tim Washington DE - 6-4/270 NR Stafford, TX 3 Star
Claude Wroten DT - 6-3/315 NR Moorhead, MS 5 Star
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Sloopy45
Pimp Minister Sinister
Nutty: "LSU did very well outside of Louisiana last year"
Yeah, but they had 16 more kids in this class all from Louisiana. I don't know, nobody knows how these things pan out, but it just seems odd how Lemming bows down to LSU all of a sudden. The way he made it seem is that nobody can touch LSU's # 2 ranking, and I don't see how that can be when that state doesn't rank among the Top 4 or 5 in terms of producing football talent.
I mean, wasn't Gerry DiNardo and the previous LSU coaches getting the same talent from in-state year after year? Look how that panned out for them.
I got another question: Hypothetically, if we had signed Fred Davis, where do you think our class would be ranked? Do you think Lemming and the recruiting gurus would've moved our class into the Top 3 on the basis of signing or not signing one kid?
Yeah, but they had 16 more kids in this class all from Louisiana. I don't know, nobody knows how these things pan out, but it just seems odd how Lemming bows down to LSU all of a sudden. The way he made it seem is that nobody can touch LSU's # 2 ranking, and I don't see how that can be when that state doesn't rank among the Top 4 or 5 in terms of producing football talent.
I mean, wasn't Gerry DiNardo and the previous LSU coaches getting the same talent from in-state year after year? Look how that panned out for them.
I got another question: Hypothetically, if we had signed Fred Davis, where do you think our class would be ranked? Do you think Lemming and the recruiting gurus would've moved our class into the Top 3 on the basis of signing or not signing one kid?
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I guess I was just trying to show that a lot more than 10% of the kids LSU got were from oos. I'm sure you were exaggerating. The ratings and rankings are fun but obviously it's an inexact science. If you strictly go by those rankings, and Rivals and the Insiders do, LSU did have an outstanding class last year. I'm not sure how much addressing team needs and number of players signed factors into their system. A few years ago when Texas had the top recruiting class they signed like 8 or 9 DL. That doesn't make sense to me.
As far as the USCummer from Toledo, I would venture to say if he signed with Ohio State Lemming would have had us in the top 5. There aren't many prospects who get a 5 star ranking and right or wrong landing Davis would have bumped us a spot or two, IMO.
As far as the USCummer from Toledo, I would venture to say if he signed with Ohio State Lemming would have had us in the top 5. There aren't many prospects who get a 5 star ranking and right or wrong landing Davis would have bumped us a spot or two, IMO.
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Sloopy45
Pimp Minister Sinister
Nutty: "I was just trying to show that a lot more than 10% of the kids LSU got were from oos"
Yeah, the 90% remark was just an exaggeration. To be exact, 55.17% of the class is from Louisiana. You should know me better than that by now, Nutty.
"A few years ago when Texas had the top recruiting class they signed like 8 or 9 DL."
Remember when this was "the greatest class of all time?" How badly has this panned out for them? If Mack Brown does his typical routine this year, there's no way he has a job at the end of the season.
"landing Davis would have bumped us a spot or two, IMO"
If this is the case, then these rankings are completely stupid. One kid cannot make that big a difference, I'm sorry. I think Lemming and his types are all frauds anyway.
Yeah, the 90% remark was just an exaggeration. To be exact, 55.17% of the class is from Louisiana. You should know me better than that by now, Nutty.
"A few years ago when Texas had the top recruiting class they signed like 8 or 9 DL."
Remember when this was "the greatest class of all time?" How badly has this panned out for them? If Mack Brown does his typical routine this year, there's no way he has a job at the end of the season.
"landing Davis would have bumped us a spot or two, IMO"
If this is the case, then these rankings are completely stupid. One kid cannot make that big a difference, I'm sorry. I think Lemming and his types are all frauds anyway.
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RLC65
Senior
Given Lemming's deserved or undeserved reputation for rarely saying anything positive about the Buckeyes, it would seem that this admission might really foretell something significant from Mr. Haw. One would have thought he would be higher on Ginn (and perhaps he is) but we sure can use some help at running back. Hope he is right.
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In all seriousness, I don't think I've ever felt as comfortable with our recruiting as I do now under Tressel. We may never get the brass-ring #1 recruiting ranking from anyone while JT is here (although we were close in 2002), but frankly I could give a shit. We consistently get quality kids who produce on the field. Keep in mind that since JT's first season, an initial-adjustment season in my mind, we're 26-2 with a national title and back-to-back BCS bowl wins. Oh yeah, we're also 2-1 against Michigan under Tressel. This year's class may shape up to be even better than the 2002 class if the chips fall right.
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NorthShoreBuck
True Madness Requires Significant Intelligence
Sloopy
I live down in LA, that is Louisiana.
There are several answers to your question.
LA has talent, before it often left and went to FLA and TX.
Since Saban they have kept the good kids and gotten some from states previously mentioned. He has improved the facilities and is a great recruiter.
OSU got Wells from here and now has Nader (Sp?). The Booty family is also from North LA. Marshall Faulk and Travis Minor are from here also. Both left the state to go to school.
Numbers wise they do not produce at the CA, FLA and TX rate but there is really only one big school here, LSU. If they can keep the cream of the crop they will be competitive for a long time. People down here were PO'ed that they did not get a big name QB or RB this year.
I live down in LA, that is Louisiana.
There are several answers to your question.
LA has talent, before it often left and went to FLA and TX.
Since Saban they have kept the good kids and gotten some from states previously mentioned. He has improved the facilities and is a great recruiter.
OSU got Wells from here and now has Nader (Sp?). The Booty family is also from North LA. Marshall Faulk and Travis Minor are from here also. Both left the state to go to school.
Numbers wise they do not produce at the CA, FLA and TX rate but there is really only one big school here, LSU. If they can keep the cream of the crop they will be competitive for a long time. People down here were PO'ed that they did not get a big name QB or RB this year.
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