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RB J.K. "All Day" Dobbins (2017 B1G CG MVP, 2019 1st Team All-American, Baltimore Ravens)

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RugbyBuck said:
I have been screaming/whining/begging/praying for the rotational use of multiple tailbacks since at least 1996. Could this finally happen? Wilson may actually release at least some of the hounds. All that garbage about getting a rhythm for the game, etc. is just that. I don't want that. I want four tailbacks who all run hard, who go balls out for six or eight plays and then the next one comes in and does it and if he doesn't, then we bring in the next one. Fcuk all that yang about we need a bell-cow, blah, blah. Fcuk it. I don't really care about the order, but pound them hard and then bring in another. Weber, McCall, Williams, Dobbins, repeat, repeat, repeat, until the defense has the dry heaves and cramps and we're up fifty. Fcuk michigan, the whole motherfcuking state.
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While I really like the end of your post, I disagree only to the extent of when we had Hyde and Elliott...you give the ball to them all game because they were so damn good and just took the defense's will away more with each carry.

Now as to next year, I totally agree. I think division of labor between those 4 could be very likely. Each back brings something to the table. But as to Dobbins, I wouldn't be surprised to see him push Weber for equal carries if healthy...dude is as explosive as it comes.
 
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RugbyBuck said:
I think backs "need" rhythm because they're enabled to think that. It's conventional thinking. I also think that if you set up a structure where the have to come out firing, then they will do so. It's about culture. Either they will or they won't play. No one else does it, who cares? Maybe no one else has four 4-star backs that can/should be used. What would that do for recruiting? You're a 4/5-star RB, you only have so much mileage and you ought to get a pro shot. Don't go somewhere and redshirt (assuming, of course, that you have picked up the blocking assignments, etc.; the whole argument is premised on this), instead come here and ball out, ten to fifteen carries a game, show what you've got, and then move on relatively unscathed.
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I totally disagree. I was a RB in college. I needed the ball a few times to get going, get a feel, get into a rhythm. A lot of backs feel that way. When you touch the ball once every 20 plays it is really hard to get into a flow. It is not some imaginary thing that RBs have talked about for decades. It is a real thing. Running a football is totally a feel thing. You are reacting to everything going on around you, and at the level OSU plays, that stuff happens so damn fast it is stupid. It isn't easy because game speed is ALWAYS faster than practice speed, and you have to get used to it, that is also why you hear guys talking about the game slowing down for them. When you get into a good flow and rhythm, the game starts to slow down too. That is also why good backs get better in the fourth quarter.

I can see two guys carrying the ball, nearly splitting carriers, but if you are going to be your best as a back, you need the ball at least 12-15 times per game.
 
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I understand your perspective and you've concisely explained the conventional thinking I mentioned. That's all it is, though. Running back is not any more special than any other position, save QB, unless you make it so. I hope we'll see some shift away from that with Wilson this year.
 
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There's a lot of chemistry and coordination between backs and the line as well. Practicing the game plan can only do so much to build that rhythym and it takes time for them to adjust to the specific nuance of the on-field opponents. Hence the lack of rotation on the OL as well as RB. Just not the same as some other positions.

That said, if a kid can perform, he's gonna play. And this year it would seem we'll have at least two of those types. Will be very interesting to see it unfold.
 
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RugbyBuck said:
I have been screaming/whining/begging/praying for the rotational use of multiple tailbacks since at least 1996. Could this finally happen? Wilson may actually release at least some of the hounds. All that garbage about getting a rhythm for the game, etc. is just that. I don't want that. I want four tailbacks who all run hard, who go balls out for six or eight plays and then the next one comes in and does it and if he doesn't, then we bring in the next one. Fcuk all that yang about we need a bell-cow, blah, blah. Fcuk it. I don't really care about the order, but pound them hard and then bring in another. Weber, McCall, Williams, Dobbins, repeat, repeat, repeat, until the defense has the dry heaves and cramps and we're up fifty. Fcuk michigan, the whole motherfcuking state.
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Hmmmmm, haven't the Bucks been doing that for some time now? I'm thinking Pittman and Beanie, Beanie and Saine, etc, etc. The problem is that you seldom have two Zeke's in the same class, let alone three or four. While this year's offense sucked bigly, Weber still ran for 1K and Samuel and Wilson got a fair number of carries - not to mention running from the QB spot. I think if the talent were even, then the # of carries would be even also. How else do you explain the difference between Moc carrying the ball and the rest of the backs on that NC team? Or the difference in Michigan's offense when Mikey was playing instead of riding the stationary?
 
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RugbyBuck said:
I understand your perspective and you've concisely explained the conventional thinking I mentioned. That's all it is, though. Running back is not any more special than any other position, save QB, unless you make it so. I hope we'll see some shift away from that with Wilson this year.
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Maybe Wilson had to play more backs because of the talent gap between IU and OSU. Jus sayin'.

I like your idea, but then I think that a team learns to play together. There's a great deal of timing and anticipation that has to go between a QB and an RB in an Urban Meyer offense. That's going to limit the RB rotation. Likewise, you don't run a new left tackle out there every series. You don't want to change your center if at all possible.

Some positions, DLs and WRs especially, really need rotation and injuries, wear and tear, mean RBs are going to get PT, but maybe not the carries they want.
 
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JK gonna be special. Williams had to know, by coming to tOSU he would have to earn it. At other programs it's easier. But thats just it. They are what they are. They aren't tOSU.

Just to add...Williams is hurt. And he could be great. The point was simply that talent keeps coming in waves and you better not blink. JK has the talent to not relinquish the lead either as he climbs the depth chart.
 
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cincibuck said:
Maybe Wilson had to play more backs because of the talent gap between IU and OSU. Jus sayin'.

I like your idea, but then I think that a team learns to play together. There's a great deal of timing and anticipation that has to go between a QB and an RB in an Urban Meyer offense. That's going to limit the RB rotation. Likewise, you don't run a new left tackle out there every series. You don't want to change your center if at all possible.

Some positions, DLs and WRs especially, really need rotation and injuries, wear and tear, mean RBs are going to get PT, but maybe not the carries they want.
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It's not going to happen on the scale I'd like to see, but I'm encouraged that Urban and KDub have kept McCall with the RBs so far this spring and I think we'll see a little of the scorched earth running game this season.
 
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