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Reed vs. Rose

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Glenville played Mentor, Harding, and Buchtel in the regular season. They also played McKinley, Ed's, and Ignatius in the playoffs.

Worm02 said:
Rose should dominate against Senate League teams and that's where the majority of his stats come from. Reed makes plays against St. Eds, Glenville, Massillon, etc., programs that are not only known throughout Ohio but throughout America.
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LordJeffBuck said:
Well, I do, and so do most recruiting experts. But, hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion....
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That's your opinion, but that's complete biase IMO. That matchup wasn't even close to say the very least. I guess that on-the-field performances don't matter anymore.

CleveBucks said:
Glenville played Mentor, Harding, and Buchtel in the regular season. They also played McKinley, Ed's, and Ignatius in the playoffs.
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First and foremost, you can't even compare WGH's schedule to Glenville's. While Glenville doesn't shy away from playing anybody (they have my respect for that), the Senate League has nothing on the Steel Valley Conference. In addition to that, WGH's 2004 schedule was ranked the 6th toughest in the nation by calpreps.com. Secondly, I know who Glenville played and I went to their last two playoff games. Like I said, I have a pretty good idea of who is better and it's not even close.

LordJeffBuck said:
Sounds like a disgruntled Michigan fan who is upset that the Glenville pipeline isn't running north anymore....
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You're 0 for 2 on that one.
 
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I guess that on-the-field performances don't matter anymore.
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ONE on-the-field performance matters very little when trying to project which player will be the better for four years of college football. O'Neal is by far the superior athlete, and hence is a better PROSPECT than Manningham.

BTW, you're one-for-four. :biggrin:
 
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CleveBucks said:
Not even close, yet one has an OSU offer and one has no offers? I think I know who's not even close. Don't let your WGH bias show so much next time.
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Your Glenville bias is showing. If you claim to follow Glenville players so much, you would know that Ginn Sr. promotes his players. Even when Glenville wasn't a threat in Division 1, they were sending multiple players to college. Like I said, I give Ginn Sr. all the props in the world for promoting his athletes, but Rose got dominated in the WGH game and he didn't do much against Ignatius or Canton McKinley. Yes Glenville won those games, but Rose wasn't much of a factor. Big players show up in big games. He has the potential to be a big player, which is one of the reasons why Ohio State offered. Nobody ever said that Rose was "sorry" (although I never use that word to describe athletes, especially students), but Reed is more polished than Rose. Like I said, we'll find out in September who the man is.

BTW, Rose went to the AAA Combine this year and did good from what I heard. That's an example of him getting promoted and once again I think that it's great that Ginn Sr. gets his kids noticed. FWIW, Reed recently did 21 reps of 225, which is the same or better than some standout DTs at the NFL Combine. Reed already produces on the field, now he's stronger than he's ever been and he will only produce more as a senior. We'll see.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
ONE on-the-field performance matters very little when trying to project which player will be the better for four years of college football. O'Neal is by far the superior athlete, and hence is a better PROSPECT than Manningham.

BTW, you're one-for-four. :biggrin:
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I really didn't want to go here, but...

Come on slick. If the shoe was on the other foot and JO would have shut down Manningham, people would probably still be talking about it. Also, what brought you to the conclusion that JO is "by far the superior athlete?" You can believe that if you want to. The matchup wasn't even close. It was won on the third play of the game (66 yard TD)! After MM's 2nd TD (JO was at safety then), they took JO off of him completely,then MM burned the entire Glenville defense for a 94 yard TD. Also, Mario benches 300+ and was an Honorable Mention this year in basketball. I know that JO will continue to grow as a player when he gets to OSU, but Manningham is by far the better athlete. Not even close.

buckzip said:
Let's just get them both, and be happy.
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That would be nice.
 
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Nope... which is why we're not polluting the recruiting forum with this crap.

Worm would probably argue that his WGH homie Burgess would be starting at LB for the Bucks this year. WHG hasn't produced a legitimate star since Korey Stringer.
 
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I do not know how a thread discussing the talents of Tony Reed got turned into this mess...

I see both sides. WGH seems to always get it done on the field, and Glenville sends a ton of talent to D1 schools. I am also glad for the fact that we have a competition between the schools. Alongside a couple of other state schools, they each want to considered the best the state has to offer...

I can say this regarding the constatnt comparing of O'neal vs. Manningham. They are completely different players. Manningham is a big-time offensive talent. I would compare his game to Steve Breaston/Peter Warrick type. While JamO is a lay the wood to you db with speed. He is a prototypical safety, but may even be a better corner in our soft zone system. His cover skills were really developing at the end of the season. When WGH and Glenville matched up, JamO was not close to being ready to cover MM one on one. MM was just to polished imo.

It will be interesting when they pit their talents against each other in the Shoe or in the Toilet. It is like a boxing promotion. They already have us talking about it...
 
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osugrad21 said:
Gentleman....

Worm=Tibor of the recruiting forum

Do we really need to debate here?
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This whole "debate" wasn't even started by me.

CleveBucks said:
Nope... which is why we're not polluting the recruiting forum with this crap.

Worm would probably argue that his WGH homie Burgess would be starting at LB for the Bucks this year. WHG hasn't produced a legitimate star since Korey Stringer.
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Dude, look in the mirror. All of this "crap" was started by you.
 
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CleveBucks said:
Better than Rose? Sorry, I highly doubt it.
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And I started this "crap?" This was originally posted in the recruiting forum. I'm an avid WGH fan, but I didn't come to the Robert Rose thread and say that "Reed is better than Rose." You came to the recruting thread with this "crap" and now your blaming me for You starting an argument that you couldn't finish.

BTW, Stringer is the only legit player that WGH has produced? You may not like me slick, but that's the dumbest thing that you could have said. You can go ahead and try to convince yourself that all you want to, but WGH is more successful as a team than at least 99% of the schools that Ohio State recruits from and it's not by accident. Stringer (RIP), Clarett, and Manningham are special and players like that don't come around often. I can't tell you how much I enjoyed watching these players perform. I was pretty young when Korey played for WGH (he was about 9 years older than me), but I've been fortunate enough to get film on him from his HS years. In addition to that, he invited me to watch him play the Lions in Detroit the season before he died and I was very hurt when he passed. Anyway, as far as your opinion of WGH is concerned, you can think whatever you want because I wouldn't trade my players for anything in the world. National rankings are nice because that shows good recognition nationally, but I'm going to support my players regardless of what Rivals, Scout, Lemming, or any other recruiting guru says and I'm going to support my players regardless of if they go D1A or D3. Even if they don't go on to play college football, I'm proud of the fact that very few of WGH's players get in trouble with the law when they leave. So, if your idea of "legit" players is solely based on if they go to Ohio State, then I can't change that, but please don't think that your hurting my feelings because you really didn't.

BTW, off the top of my head, WGH currently has players playing football at Michigan, Toledo, Bowling Green, Cincinnati, Kent, Western Michigan, Michigan State, Pitt, YSU, Central Connecticut, Westminster, Thiel, Ashland, and Findlay University. There is many more on the way. You may/may not care, but I do. As far as this whole "debate" is concerned, I didn't go out of my way to down any recruit mentioned on this or any other website, nor have I ever hijacked a thread to make a WGH player look good. You hijacked Reed's thread, a thread that wasn't even strated by me, to make Rose look good, then put the blame on me when I spoke on it. It seems to me like your the one who needs to stop with the "crap."
 
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