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methomps
an imbecility, a stupidity without name
jlb1705;1701228; said:
Your point?
17 rushes, 117 yards (6.9 avg), 1TD
10 receptions, 95 yards (9.5 avg), 1TD
5 punt returns, 113 yards (22.6 avg), 1TD
325 yards and 3TDs in 3 playoff games is not too shabby. It would certainly be "proving the haters wrong" on this board if we were talking about an OSU alum.
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When you combine them, they almost hide what the per game numbers looked like.
5 att 84 yds 1 td 4 rec 24 yds 0 td 3 ret 109 yds 1 td
7 att 08 yds 0 td 2 rec 33 yds 0 td 1 ret 000 yds 0 td 1 fumble lost
5 att 25 yds 0 td 4 rec 38 yds 0 td 1 ret 004 yds 0 td
Nice game vs Arizona, two forgettable ones in the NFCCG & Super Bowl.
Not really, but let's move past that. What did the rest of his career prove? He's been a mediocre RB and a nice 4th-6th target in the passing game behind the top-3 wrs.
I think Reggie is a good player and a nice weapon in that offense, but a bust for the 2nd overall pick. There are obviously different types of busts, not just colossal failures like Jamarcus.
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methomps
an imbecility, a stupidity without name
jwinslow;1701241; said:
Well, let's see what the Saints think about Bush. Reggie made $2.6M last year and is under contract for $8M in 2010 and $11.8M in 2011. His cap number in 2011 will be $16M.
Now the problem with cutting or trading big contracts in the NFL is that such actions result in an immediate salary cap hit. Enter the uncapped year. Teams have used this uncapped year to cut (Russel) or trade (Ginn, Marshall, McNabb, Campbell) big contracts with little penalty.
And that was supposed to be Bush's fate, so says the critics.
I guess the Saints haven't gotten the memo.
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So which part of this characterization was wrong?
During the super bowl...
He was part of the 3 RBs who had mediocre nights. Addai turned in the only strong night.
He was the 9th best receiver in the superbowl, and I'd probably bump Shockey higher given the importance of his 1 catch.
Russell, Ginn & Campbell were not only busts, but guys who needed to be replaced according to everyone. Good luck finding another Reggie bush.
Marshall was a headache. Bush is a blessing to the community.
McNabb is too old. Bush is dating Kim.
Then that sounds like a good argument to have with those blogs, posters or radio hosts.
What, that he's a good player? Or are you making up stances to argue with now?
AJ Hawk was a bust at #5. That doesn't mean they should cut him.
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methomps
an imbecility, a stupidity without name
He accounted for just shy of 20% of their offensive production in the super bowl. It isn't like the Saints lit it up in the Super Bowl. Has to be among the most-maligned 20% production in a Super Bowl ever.jwinslow;1701260; said:
AJ Hawk isn't set to make anywhere near $8M next year.
I don't see why the term bust has to be expanded so greatly that it encompasses players who are valued by their team and contribute 3TDS in a Super Bowl run. Certainly if a team passes on an opportunity to escape from $8M-$20M in salary on a player, I would say that keeps the bust label off the player.
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So he accounted for 20% of a weak offensive performance.
Are you still trying to argue that 63 yards is an impressive performance?
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about touting that 63 yd performance.
6 yrs 52.5 million
6 years 40.00 million
For their draft slot, AJ is not producing on par with his contract, which is also backloaded.
The term bust refers to whether he was worth the #2 overall pick, not whether the team still wants him on their roster.
When you draft a RB at #2 overall, it is a major gamble given the average life of a RB & the ease of finding quality backs later on.
The stats he produces are similar to Kevin Faulk's, except Reggie is a far better returner.
NFL - Head to Head Stats...
That's not what you're looking for out of a #2 overall pick, given how easy it is to find good backs later in the draft and how short their lifespan typically is.
That's a different discussion from whether it's what you want on your roster.
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billmac91
Head Coach
this is too deep. Reggie hasn't lived up to expectations...but to call him a bigger bust than JaMarcus Rusell is off your rocker crazy. Reggie has at least conributed to the Saints...maybe not as much as most expeceted he would, but he certainly isn't JaMarcus "eat my way out of the league" Russell.
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billmac91;1701287; said:
This.
Reggie Bush is in the "bust" discussion though because of the astronomical hype that surrounded him when he entered the draft. People toss around the term "game-changing" like it's nothing these days, but that's truly the way Reggie Bush was being talked about. He was supposed to be a once-in-a-generation talent that was going to change the NFL forever. When the Texans drafted Mario Williams instead, people reacted as if they had passed on a sure-thing Michael Jordan of football to take their Sam Bowie. Relatively speaking, I think it qualifies as a bust when there's that much hype and the most accurate description of his career so far is "nice".
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ScarletBlood31
Buckeye in Blacksburg
Comparing Michael Vick and Reggie Bush to Jamarcus Russell is completely laughable.
Vick was a pro bowler and feared by every defense he played. Was he the most accurate and deadly QB in the league with his arm? No. But he was certainly good enough to be a top player and someone who could win you games.
Bush is a dangerous weapon and makes big plays pretty often. He didnt live up to the hype of being a #2 overall draft pick, and isn't an everydown back like he should have been, but he is still a damn good player and a valuable part of a great offense.
Vick was a pro bowler and feared by every defense he played. Was he the most accurate and deadly QB in the league with his arm? No. But he was certainly good enough to be a top player and someone who could win you games.
Bush is a dangerous weapon and makes big plays pretty often. He didnt live up to the hype of being a #2 overall draft pick, and isn't an everydown back like he should have been, but he is still a damn good player and a valuable part of a great offense.
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Would you guys prefer the term 'major reach' instead of 'bust' when labeling his draft slot & production?
He was the third best runner behind two undrafted RBs, which is precisely why it's such a gamble (& potential reach) to take a RB in the top-10, let alone #2.
If Reggie Bush was a free agent, would someone give him 6 years & 53 million?
That's part of it, but hardly the main factor. The #2 overall pick should be more than a role player.
He was the third best runner behind two undrafted RBs, which is precisely why it's such a gamble (& potential reach) to take a RB in the top-10, let alone #2.
If Reggie Bush was a free agent, would someone give him 6 years & 53 million?
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