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S/C Coach Mickey Marotti (Official Thread)

bassplayer7770;2129133; said:
Former Buckeye player Matt Finkes took in a workout recently. You can read his piece entitled Return of the Alpha Males on 11W at the link provided. :osu:

It sounds like he is comparing the Tressel era to the Cooper era as if the Cooper era was the good old days. It doesn't make sense to me, because Tressel was far more successful than Cooper was in terms of wins vs. Michigan, bowl wins, and being national champs.
 
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NastyNatiBuck;2129555; said:
It sounds like he is comparing the Tressel era to the Cooper era as if the Cooper era was the good old days. It doesn't make sense to me, because Tressel was far more successful than Cooper was in terms of wins vs. Michigan, bowl wins, and being national champs.
I didn't get that feeling of the Cooper era being the good old days from his article.

Just noting the differences in style between a JT practice and an Urban practice. Tons of competition, winners & losers, etc.

Nothing to get your panties in a bunch over. Big time attitude change at the WHAC, and I for one, think it is very much needed.. and am happy to read the article and get an "inside" look.
 
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Bleed S & G;2129669; said:
I didn't get that feeling of the Cooper era being the good old days from his article.

Just noting the differences in style between a JT practice and an Urban practice. Tons of competition, winners & losers, etc.

Nothing to get your panties in a bunch over. Big time attitude change at the WHAC, and I for one, think it is very much needed.. and am happy to read the article and get an "inside" look.

I guess this is the part that confused me.

In my days at OSU, the "Iron Sharpens Iron" principle was prevalent. Vrabel and I were better because we went against Korey Stringer and Orlando Pace everyday in practice drills. Shawn Springs was better because he went against Terry Glenn in one-on-ones. That competition is embraced by the high level and passionate players who make a difference on your team and, quite frankly, separates the men from the boys.

That type of competition had been scarce recently, but no more.

...

There is a competition and rivalry again between the offensive and defensive staffs and it is intense and relentless. Believe me when I say that mentality transfers down to the players. Fred Pagac was one of my favorite coaches and he exuded this. He would yell and nearly come to blows with offensive staff members during competitions. You could tell he would put pads on and get in there if he could (some of the current staff certainly can) and it made you want to succeed. When players and coaches train like gladiators, you are not just creating a team mentality but a losing will not be tolerated culture.

There is a level of intensity that is palpable at the Woody, and it is great to have that feeling again from everyone. Let's face it, last year was embarrassing. The new staff is dead-set on not allowing something like that to happen again and Urban and his coaches have made it clear to the football alumni that the pride and tradition of The Ohio State University football program will be restored, sooner rather than later.

It is hard to tell if he means the entire Tressel era or the last few years. Although the more I think about it, he could just as easily have said the same things about the last couple years of the Cooper regime. He is excited about the return to glory I guess, but the way he talks in the article, it is unclear what caused the fall or how long OSU has been falling. It is important he state that because his whole article hinges on the return of alpha males fixing the problem.

I agree with him that what Urban is doing appears to be the beginning of something special. I just don't understand what the rest of his article is really saying.

I wouldn't call my panties in a bunch just yet, but we might get there. I am just looking for some thoughtful conversation.
 
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I guess this is the part that confused me.



It is hard to tell if he means the entire Tressel era or the last few years. Although the more I think about it, he could just as easily have said the same things about the last couple years of the Cooper regime. He is excited about the return to glory I guess, but the way he talks in the article, it is unclear what caused the fall or how long OSU has been falling. It is important he state that because his whole article hinges on the return of alpha males fixing the problem.

I agree with him that what Urban is doing appears to be the beginning of something special. I just don't understand what the rest of his article is really saying.

I wouldn't call my panties in a bunch just yet, but we might get there. I am just looking for some thoughtful conversation.
I think you're right. I'm excited about the things being written about Marotti and the offseason program, however if I were to mention one word it should at least make everyone scale back expectations about the difference it will make a tad, maybe: Barwis.
 
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t_BuckeyeScott;2129689; said:
I think you're right. I'm excited about the things being written about Marotti and the offseason program, however if I were to mention one word it should at least make everyone scale back expectations about the difference it will make a tad, maybe: Barwis.

Apples and oranges.

Meyer > Rodriguez

  • recruiting
  • understanding of the rivalry
  • connection to the state of Ohio
  • willingness to adapt his offensive system to his talent
  • assistant coaches
  • all things defense
Tressel's cupboard > Carr's cupboard

The new and improved off season program is just one facet of the building excitement- and the one that is currently at the forefront. When spring ball rolls around I'm sure we will find other things to focus our excitement on. When summer rolls around, back to Marotti... and so on.

Hilariously, Michigan fans never found other things to focus on other than Barwis. :lol:
 
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I really hope we don't get to the level Michigan fans got to with the whole "country club" nonsense. There's no way in shit that Jim Tressel let things get to the point that Michigan was at.......and even then it was a bullshit cop out for their fans to explain why they couldn't beat us 80 years in a row.
 
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Apples and oranges.

Meyer > Rodriguez

  • recruiting
  • understanding of the rivalry
  • connection to the state of Ohio
  • willingness to adapt his offensive system to his talent
  • assistant coaches
  • all things defense
Tressel's cupboard > Carr's cupboard

The new and improved off season program is just one facet of the building excitement- and the one that is currently at the forefront. When spring ball rolls around I'm sure we will find other things to focus our excitement on. When summer rolls around, back to Marotti... and so on.

Hilariously, Michigan fans never found other things to focus on other than Barwis. :lol:
I'm with you on all of those points. 100%. Except don't forget hair. They loved their players' hair.

But really, it's what 27 just posted. A lot of the things being written and said about Marotti are the same things that were written and said about Barwis. I think strength and conditioning is important. I don't know that it's a miracle worker though.
 
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Last year was embarrassing.

Fickell being screwed is not a rebuttal, it is at the heart of the supporting argument.

He was not truly hired. He was barely introduced after multiple weeks.
He was not given authority.
He was a placeholder until JT got back, chosen because he ranked below his future coordinators and wouldn't ruffle their feathers.
He inherited a roster riddled with off field trouble, with the natural captains of the squad at the heart of the issue.

He inherited an offensive staff that was always underwhelming with their play calling but had the talent to get away with it and the defense to protect it. now without either, it was a disaster.

The two best Ohioans targeted by UM in 2012 & 2013 were lost in that span, the latter for inexplicable reasons in how they snubbed him.

Then there are the splendid decisions to pass on Decker, Dodson & Bolden.

Not to mention the endless parade of gaffes from the OSU administration with regards to PR and NCAA dealings.


Fickell being handed a certain disaster was unfortunate but hardly a good way to speak against the harsh review of the 2011 circus.
 
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FCollinsBuckeye;2129704; said:
From quoted Finkes article:



Quite unneccessary, IMO. Coach Fickel was dealt a very tough hand and to call the results 'embarrassing' isn't quite fair...

Dan Snyder;2129721; said:
Last year was embarrassing.

Fickell being screwed is not a rebuttal, it is at the heart of the supporting argument.

He was not truly hired. He was barely introduced after multiple weeks.
He was not given authority.
He was a placeholder until JT got back, chosen because he ranked below his future coordinators and wouldn't ruffle their feathers.
He inherited a roster riddled with off field trouble, with the natural captains of the squad at the heart of the issue.

He inherited an offensive staff that was always underwhelming with their play calling but had the talent to get away with it and the defense to protect it. now without either, it was a disaster.

The two best Ohioans targeted by UM in 2012 & 2013 were lost in that span, the latter for inexplicable reasons in how they snubbed him.

Then there are the splendid decisions to pass on Decker, Dodson & Bolden.

Not to mention the endless parade of gaffes from the OSU administration with regards to PR and NCAA dealings.


Fickell being handed a certain disaster was unfortunate but hardly a good way to speak against the harsh review of the 2011 circus.


I agree with Snyder. I doubt Finkes would dis his boy Fick like that.
 
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