Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL)

[AuTX Buckeye]

Guess this should really be here. Do we know Ohios rules on this?

 

[NorthCoastKid]

When you have the number one recruit in the country committing to Jackson State, the whole fucking thing has gone to plaid.

 

[Don Muenz]

Hic iacet collegium eu, mortuus est, ides decembris, Ab Urbe Condita 2774.

 

[pnuts34]

I laugh when people complain about NIL, please!
When 29 of 50 states' highest paid public employee is a Head football or basketball coach, we've already said how important we deem education compared to sports. Let's not act like CFB and CBB weren't already treated like the minor leagues


https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/business/highest-paid-public-employees/#:~:text=The Highest-Paid Public Employees in Every State 1,$245,954.82 9 Florida 10 Georgia More items...

And I'm too lazy to look up 2021 or 2020 numbers, but I'm sure they're similar.

 

[5 STAR U-G-A]

I laugh when people complain about NIL, please!
When 29 of 50 states' highest paid public employee is a Head football or basketball coach, we've already said how important we deem education compared to sports. Let's not act like CFB and CBB weren't already treated like the minor leagues


https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/business/highest-paid-public-employees/#:~:text=The Highest-Paid Public Employees in Every State 1,$245,954.82 9 Florida 10 Georgia More items...

And I'm too lazy to look up 2021 or 2020 numbers, but I'm sure they're similar.

A lot of what's happening now is just pulling back the curtain and making these things more public. You're telling me that Saban hasn't been paying players and their families handsomely for the past 10 years at Bama? He just doesn't have to hide it now.

 

[pnuts34]

A lot of what's happening now is just pulling back the curtain and making these things more public. You're telling me that Saban hasn't been paying players and their families handsomely for the past 10 years at Bama? He just doesn't have to hide it now.

Uh, and you're telling me players havent been getting paid for decades???
The Big 8 was laughable back in the day with cheating. Cris Carter has said in multiple interviews he was paid in Columbus(same with Clarett), scUM had the Fab 5 and numerous football players, Miami in its heyday, Free Shoes, none of this was new. And no one batted an eye when coaching salaries steadily increased. Just 20yrs ago, if a CFB HC made $1m dollars he made bank, now OSU and most colleges have MULTIPLE assistants making more than $1m/yr! This is what fans have created and shown they're alright with, but if a kid is paid all of the sudden "it takes away from the game"
The best schools will adapt and find ways to win like they always do.

 

[5 STAR U-G-A]

Uh, and you're telling me players havent been getting paid for decades???
The Big 8 was laughable back in the day with cheating. Cris Carter has said in multiple interviews he was paid in Columbus(same with Clarett), scUM had the Fab 5 and numerous football players, Miami in its heyday, Free Shoes, none of this was new. And no one batted an eye when coaching salaries steadily increased. Just 20yrs ago, if a CFB HC made $1m dollars he made bank, now OSU and most colleges have MULTIPLE assistants making more than $1m/yr! This is what fans have created and shown they're alright with, but if a kid is paid all of the sudden "it takes away from the game"
The best schools will adapt and find ways to win like they always do.

Oh yeah, I am sure they were. Just saying Saban has been doing it at a ridiculously high level for the past decade.

In fact, I think NIL levels the playing field with fcs schools now being able to get into the mix (imagine if Travis Hunter flipped to Jackson State without NIL, people would be like wtf...even with it they already are).

If anything, it's made it somewhat less shady. Legitimate businesses can pay these kids and the public can see what's going on. No more Nevin Shapiro type characters are in the mix. It's still going to be shady, it always has and will be, but I think it actually makes it less shady. But seeing how the sausage is made will gross people out and make them realize what type of stuff has been going on for decades.

 

[pnuts34]

Oh yeah, I am sure they were. Just saying Saban has been doing it at a ridiculously high level for the past decade.

In fact, I think NIL levels the playing field with fcs schools now being able to get into the mix (imagine if Travis Hunter flipped to Jackson State without NIL, people would be like wtf...even with it they already are).

I wonder if down the line, with NIL, if a sleeping giant with a very powerful alumni base like SMU again, or Stanford throw their money around can they rule CFB. There's only so many businesses in Tuscalossa, Clemson, Norman, etc. But SMU has a ton of big money backers, schools like Tejas, Stanford, Cal and aTm have some massive endowments, that if focused foolishly on football can set some insane NIL wars(ain't happening I know, since a lot of the money goes to you know, academics)

 

[5 STAR U-G-A]

I wonder if down the line, with NIL, if a sleeping giant with a very powerful alumni base like SMU again, or Stanford throw their money around can they rule CFB. There's only so many businesses in Tuscalossa, Clemson, Norman, etc. But SMU has a ton of big money backers, schools like Tejas, Stanford, Cal and aTm have some massive endowments, that if focused foolishly on football can set some insane NIL wars(ain't happening I know, since a lot of the money goes to you know, academics)

I think I heard it on ESPNU radio a few weeks back, but someone was talking about SMU specifically as a team that might benefit from NIL: a solid program in a large urban market. Seeing how NIL can bring elite talent to Jackson, Miss, I would not be surprised if schools in mid-to-large California cities, Dallas, Orlando, etc could end up having similar pull.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Wasn’t player power what every one under the age of 50 wanted? Dabo used the words “education and graduation”. At least nobody else was that high and mighty. The college administrators have lost any control they had over the football program. Ewers should have never been admitted if education and graduation was the schools mission.

 

[5 STAR U-G-A]

Wasn’t player power what every one under the age of 50 wanted? Dabo used the words “education and graduation”. At least nobody else was that high and mighty. The college administrators have lost any control they had over the football program. Ewers should have never been admitted if education and graduation was the schools mission.

I didn't follow Ewers as closely as y'all, but wasn't this supposed to be his senior year in HS?

 

[Onebuckfan]

I didn't follow Ewers as closely as y'all, but wasn't this supposed to be his senior year in HS?

Exactly..the University didn’t have to admit him.

 

[pnuts34]

Exactly..the University didn’t have to admit him.

Yeah they did, because university would

I think I heard it on ESPNU radio a few weeks back, but someone was talking about SMU specifically as a team that might benefit from NIL: a solid program in a large urban market. Seeing how NIL can bring elite talent to Jackson, Miss, I would not be surprised if schools in mid-to-large California cities, Dallas, Orlando, etc could end up having similar pull.

But Jackson St is a unique case. A highest of high profile HCs who is seen in national commercials, was a national TV analyst at one point, and is arguably the greatest player at his position in college AND the NFL. I went to an HBCU myself, and I couldn't even tell you my college's HC without googling it. Deion's over the top self promotion was also a part of getting Hunter, with the NIL deal being the biggest factor.
But schools in those big markets will be in a interesting conundrum. Because I think big markets with NFL teams and CFB teams(i.e.: SMU, USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Rutgers, Miami, etc) will have VERY mixed success. Why would a business invest in an unproven teenager or young man when they could throw money at an NFL player? Would an attorney want to put his firms name behind a DL for USC or Aaron Donald? Is a tech firm going to throw money behind a DL at Cal or Stanford, or Nick Bosa?
I think cities without those NFL teams could flourish(Columbus, and Austin), as could a number of southern cities who are in college towns but close to major cities(Athens, Knoxville, Oxford, Clemson, Baton Rouge, College Station)

 

[Powair7s]

Yeah they did, because university would


But Jackson St is a unique case. A highest of high profile HCs who is seen in national commercials, was a national TV analyst at one point, and is arguably the greatest player at his position in college AND the NFL. I went to an HBCU myself, and I couldn't even tell you my college's HC without googling it. Deion's over the top self promotion was also a part of getting Hunter, with the NIL deal being the biggest factor.
But schools in those big markets will be in a interesting conundrum. Because I think big markets with NFL teams and CFB teams(i.e.: SMU, USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Rutgers, Miami, etc) will have VERY mixed success. Why would a business invest in an unproven teenager or young man when they could throw money at an NFL player? Would an attorney want to put his firms name behind a DL for USC or Aaron Donald? Is a tech firm going to throw money behind a DL at Cal or Stanford, or Nick Bosa?
I think cities without those NFL teams could flourish(Columbus, and Austin), as could a number of southern cities who are in college towns but close to major cities(Athens, Knoxville, Oxford, Clemson, Baton Rouge, College Station)

Good points but at the end of the day it's all about ROI. DL at cal or Stanford are going to cost a lot less than Nick Bosa. Your ROI might just be better...depending on your target market.

 

[pnuts34]

The funny thing about NIL, is some of these schools can throw all the money in the world at players, but outside of the Yankees and Red Sox in Baseball, next to no team has ever “bought “ a championship. And imo, all were going to see is the same teams win and get to the CFP and win their conferences. You can pay for all those players, but if you have subpar coaching, those players don’t mean much. I can see some of those Texas programs crashing and burning, same with the FL schools.

The transfer portal importance isn’t seen by fans yet, as we’re still used to traditional HS recruiting. Bama has a chance to win another NC this year, and it ain’t mainly due to their HS classes, but getting Williams in the portal as well as To’to’. MSU literally turned their program around in 1yr and earned Tucker a massive extension based off of several big transfer portal wins(Walker being the big one).

But if your coaching staff can’t develop quickly,and have a scheme simple enough for transfers to pick up, getting that talent doesn’t matter. And also factoring in getting a mercenary who hopefully gels with the team and doesn’t throw off chemistry. And this is what a guy like Day is worried about. Day is still a young coach with a semi young team, and an alpha transfer can throw chemistry off and screw a team. But with the amount of transfers, good teams should be able to fill holes that they couldn’t with HS players. This may be where guys like Pantoni as well as analysts earn their pay checks.