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Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL)

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ScriptOhio said:
Ex-CFP chair Gary Barta: Repeal NCAA's one-time transfer exception to slow NIL-fueled player movement

Barta, Iowa's athletic director, called NIL 'a good thing' but said it was being used for recruiting

Former College Football Playoff chair Gary Barta believes he has a solution for the quickly ballooning name, image and likeness market, which has the NCAA and its member institutions scrambling for guardrails nearly a year after its inception. Barta, Iowa's athletic director, suggested on the "Fight for Iowa" podcast Thursday that repealing the NCAA's one-time transfer policy would slow a feverish transfer market fueled by booster collectives disguising pay-for-play deals as NIL.

Enacted a year ago, the policy allows undergraduates to transfer one time while maintaining immediate eligibility.

"The transfers -- again, allowing a student transfer without having to sit a year -- if it wasn't for NIL, it's a good move ... a good idea," said Barta. "Now, when you combine it with NIL, it has just become what many have called it: the 'Wild, Wild, West.' One idea ... and I'm pursuing this and throwing it out [there] is, if we can't totally control NIL, then let's go back and put a one-year [sit]. If you transfer, you don't have to lose your scholarship, but you must sit out a year. Because we can control that. And that I think [it] would slow down the NIL deals because a booster isn't going to offer a student-athlete a big sum of money if they know they come to their university and have to sit out a year."

Unlike others in his position, Barta called NIL "a good thing ... but what has happened is it is now being used for recruiting inducements. That was never intended. It still is against the rules, but it's blatantly being abused."

Entire article: https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...exception-to-slow-nil-fueled-player-movement/

I really can't see that happening. It's not fair to penalize the player that has a good reason (i.e. other than NIL money) for transferring just because the NCAA/Conferences/schools can't police their booster's NIL activities.
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This shit bugs me to no end.

If a college kid (non athlete) transfers, who in gods name would say "they shouldn't be able to take classes for a year"? Nobody would, cause nobody gives a damn about corraling kids that don't adhere to their senile vision of "amateurism".

Its weird how certain principles get applied to athletes that wouldn't be applied to anyone else.
I'm all for general regulations regarding tampering and transfer windows, but decreasing the agency these kids have is asinine...especially considering the direction this all seems to be heading in.
 
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ScriptOhio said:
Ex-CFP chair Gary Barta: Repeal NCAA's one-time transfer exception to slow NIL-fueled player movement

Barta, Iowa's athletic director, called NIL 'a good thing' but said it was being used for recruiting

Former College Football Playoff chair Gary Barta believes he has a solution for the quickly ballooning name, image and likeness market, which has the NCAA and its member institutions scrambling for guardrails nearly a year after its inception. Barta, Iowa's athletic director, suggested on the "Fight for Iowa" podcast Thursday that repealing the NCAA's one-time transfer policy would slow a feverish transfer market fueled by booster collectives disguising pay-for-play deals as NIL.

Enacted a year ago, the policy allows undergraduates to transfer one time while maintaining immediate eligibility.

"The transfers -- again, allowing a student transfer without having to sit a year -- if it wasn't for NIL, it's a good move ... a good idea," said Barta. "Now, when you combine it with NIL, it has just become what many have called it: the 'Wild, Wild, West.' One idea ... and I'm pursuing this and throwing it out [there] is, if we can't totally control NIL, then let's go back and put a one-year [sit]. If you transfer, you don't have to lose your scholarship, but you must sit out a year. Because we can control that. And that I think [it] would slow down the NIL deals because a booster isn't going to offer a student-athlete a big sum of money if they know they come to their university and have to sit out a year."

Unlike others in his position, Barta called NIL "a good thing ... but what has happened is it is now being used for recruiting inducements. That was never intended. It still is against the rules, but it's blatantly being abused."

Entire article: https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...exception-to-slow-nil-fueled-player-movement/

I really can't see that happening. It's not fair to penalize the player that has a good reason (i.e. other than NIL money) for transferring just because the NCAA/Conferences/schools can't police their booster's NIL activities.
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How about we use this rule on coaches too, and to go one further step, stop allowing these coaches to be paid millions after their fired. How many of us would love to get fired for a doing a shitty job and then be paid their entire paycheck for years :roll2:

GTFOH with these bs rules to keep kids with little power. So it’s fine for coaches to earn millions, but not the players. It’s alright for coaches to leave whenever they want, even after promising many of their recruits that they’d be there for their careers. So because, the kids get free lodging, and food on top of their education they shouldn’t earn an income as well? Isn’t that like someone working a job, getting their health benefits paid for, but then not earning a paycheck?
 
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pnuts34 said:
How about we use this rule on coaches too, and to go one further step, stop allowing these coaches to be paid millions after their fired. How many of us would love to get fired for a doing a shitty job and then be paid their entire paycheck for years :roll2:
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That's because they have a multi year contract and they are fired before the contract is up. Unfortunately for the top schools to get the coach that they want they have to offer the multi year contracts. Also, it (supposedly) shows that the coach will be there for "X" number of years helps with recruiting. The contracts may have a clause that cancels if the coach violates NCAA rules; however, that doesn't always work (i.e. think Jim O'Brien here).
 
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Some non-Jimbo/Saban NIL wackiness:

Nike signs sister soccer players to company's first high school name, image and likeness deal
https://www.espn.com/college-sports...ny-first-high-school-name-image-likeness-deal
May 17, 2022
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Tom VanHaaren
Nike signed its first high school athletes to a name, image and likeness deal as soccer players, and sisters, Alyssa and Gisele Thompson were signed by the brand.

Alyssa is a junior and Gisele a sophomore at Harvard-Westlake high school in Los Angeles, and both inked an undisclosed agreement only days after Nike announced deals with UCLA soccer player Reilyn Turner and Stanford golfer Rachel Heck. The Thompsons posted on Instagram showing a trip to Nike on Saturday that resulted in their NIL deal.

Both sisters are committed to play soccer at Stanford and are members of the U.S. national team youth system for soccer.

The NCAA approved a policy to allow college student-athletes to profit off of their name, image and likeness that began on July 1, 2021. Since then, athletes have been able to secure agreements similar to the one Nike gave the Thompsons.

High school athletes have to abide by state laws and rules formed by their high school associations.

Because the Thompson sisters are in California, they are able to profit off of their name, image and likeness while in high school because the state and high school associations allow their student-athletes to participate in NIL deals.
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Time to get ALL schools - from K to College - out of sports. The business has turned our education system into a house of prostitution.

There are coaches at a certain Catholic school in Cincinnati who are making 6 figures with no classroom assignments - not even study hall, lunchroom, or bus duties. Not one of the teachers at the school gets a salary of 80K or more. I'm sure that school is not alone in such a perversion of the mission of all schools.

Heading out for lunch and a Prozac.
 
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cincibuck said:
Time to get ALL schools - from K to College - out of sports. The business has turned our education system into a house of prostitution.

There are coaches at a certain Catholic school in Cincinnati who are making 6 figures with no classroom assignments - not even study hall, lunchroom, or bus duties. Not one of the teachers at the school gets a salary of 80K or more. I'm sure that school is not alone in such a perversion of the mission of all schools.
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So you no longer want sports in schools because some successful coaches are getting paid large sums?
Again, how is this new? Just now, instead of giving Coach X, a BS assignment at study hall or PE, the middle man was skipped and he no longer has to do that. I still think that sports has a spot in schools. Taking sports away takes away opportunities from a number of kids. Taking sports away from some inner city schools and rural schools will take away the future of a kid who could be the 1st in his family to get to college, and get there for free, and still be able to earn an income through NIL(and in the small instance make a pro career).
 
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pnuts34 said:
So you no longer want sports in schools because some successful coaches are getting paid large sums?
Again, how is this new? Just now, instead of giving Coach X, a BS assignment at study hall or PE, the middle man was skipped and he no longer has to do that. I still think that sports has a spot in schools. Taking sports away takes away opportunities from a number of kids. Taking sports away from some inner city schools and rural schools will take away the future of a kid who could be the 1st in his family to get to college, and get there for free, and still be able to earn an income through NIL(and in the small instance make a pro career).
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1. I coached track and cross country and loved the experience. I'm not anti-sport.
2. The near-weekly pep rallies took more than an hour away from classroom time per event. That adds up to a significant loss of instructional time.
3. I was lucky. At the school I was assigned to, the football and basketball coaches supported the classroom teachers. Discipline problems often ended when the coach got word of someone not doing the work. My wife worked at three different schools where the coaches did not support academics. Games over grades.
4. Ohio only requires 1 credit for PE - freshman year. A handful of kids get a thorough PE experience through competitive athletics, while the rest are left to get the experience on their own.
5. Taking sports out of school does not keep city rec departments from providing the opportunity for competitive athletics. The city already owns the facilities in terms of stadiums and gyms.
6. Yeah, I hear the argument about opportunities - see #5. What would our country look like today if we had said to poor kids in the inner city and rural schools, "Get good grades and there will be money for you to go to college." Instead of academics, we awarded those who could excel in athletics. In the last twenty years, the amount of time an athlete must give to his sport has risen dramatically. There is no such thing as an offseason, training and coaching go on year-round.
7. Yeah, why put a coach in a classroom when he doesn't want to be there? In fact, in the sixties, Ohio State's College of Education studied the results of standardized tests and found that a) Ohio kids scored extremely low in history and government. b) Many of the state's history and government teachers were coaches with a minor in history. c) Ohio State eliminated the history minor. Unfortunately, other schools including ORD's favorites, Ohio U and Miami did not.
8. I'm not upset that a person can make 6 figures coaching. I am upset at what it says when an academic institution pays far more for a coach than it does for an academician. I love Buckeye football and I love Ryan Day AS A COACH - but to make him the highest salaried person at a college is a blazing neon sign saying "Academics are not as important as football."
9. I took Woody's course in 1967. The first day he walked in, went to the chalkboard and wrote 10 questions on one board then ten more on a second board. The first ten were about current events; the second ten were all football." He turned to the class. There will be a quiz each Friday in this course. Ten questions will be about current events and ten will be about what I've taught that week." A hand shot up from one of the jocks in the class, "Coach, this is a football course., Why do we have to know about current events?" Hayes answered, "Because most of you are going to leave this school and coach in a high school and I don't want someone from Ohio State teaching kids if he doesn't know what the hell is going on in the world."
10. Woody refused to be paid more than a full professor. He knew what it would have said about football if he had been paid more.

Sorry for the "wall of text" but I think I raise some points that are worthy of thought in the current state of high school and college sports.
 
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Schools would be better off across the board just putting players on payroll. Then mandate finance courses in the first two years for all majors so that they learn how to use money responsibly and pay taxes. If kids make more money in NIL great, but there would be some kind of governance in play that way. They completely dropped the ball letting this genie out of the bottle. Shocker
 
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Former Mississippi State baseball coach Ron Polk has answers for transfer portal, NIL

Ex-Mississippi State baseball coach Ron Polk decried the NCAA transfer portal, while also calling for the NCAA to cap how much a player can earn via name, image and likeness (NIL) compensation. In a recent interview with The Jackson Clarion Ledger, Polk called for the NCAA to rescind the rule allowing for players to transfer once without having to sit a year out — the exception would be to players who saw a coaching change or scholarship change at their institution — in addition to ruling players who land NIL deals in excess of $10,000 ineligible.

"The portal is out of control," Polk told The Clarion Ledger. "I can solve the problem if the NCAA would listen to me, but they never listen to me. ... Some of these schools should change their name to portal university."...:lol:

Entire article: https://247sports.com/college/ohio-...wants-NCAA-to-put-cap-on-NIL-deals-188554886/
 
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WWE announces second class of college athletes to receive name, image, likeness agreements

WWE's second class of college athletes receiving name, image and likeness agreements includes the first participants in men's basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, and cheer and dance, as well as four from Power 5 football programs.

The 15-member group participating in WWE's "Next In Line" program will train at the promotion's performance center in Orlando, Florida, and receive resources in areas such as brand building and media communications. Gable Steveson, the Olympic gold medalist and NCAA champion in heavyweight wrestling at Minnesota, headlined WWE's first NIL class along with Miami basketball twins and social media stars Haley and Hanna Cavinder.

The new group includes Auburn All-America gymnast Derrian Gobourne, Tennessee track and field standout Chandler Hayden, Pac-12 heavyweight wrestling champion Cohlton Schultz and Ole Miss cheer and dance athlete Ali Mattox, who won a world championship with Team USA in 2019.

Illinois tight end Luke Ford, a former ESPN top 100 recruit who began his career at Georgia, headlines the contingent of football players, along with Arizona State fullback Case Hatch, Stanford outside linebacker Thunder Keck and Michigan State tight end Maliq Carr, a transfer from Purdue who also plays for MSU's basketball team. The class also includes Hampton linebacker KeShaun Moore, WWE's first NIL signee from an HBCU program. Hayden and Central Michigan basketball player Mikala Hall are among the participants with large social media followings.

Entire article: https://www.espn.com/college-sports...hletes-receive-name-image-likeness-agreements
 
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FWIW, a real NIL success story:

How NIL helped SMU football's Ra'Sun Kazadi 'grow as an artist'

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SMU safety Ra'Sun Kazadi is a unique talent among college football players.

You might see that he's appeared in 10 games over the past two seasons and registered two tackles and say that's a stretch, but it's not. Ra -- as he's often referred to by his teammates, friends and family -- has talents that go beyond the football field.

He's a gifted artist, and last July 1 -- with the loosening of restrictions on college athletes making money through their name, image and likeness -- Kazadi's world as an artist opened up considerably.

"I'm able to do more of the work that I want to do because of NIL," he said. "I can sell my pieces for more, and therefore, I don't have to do, like, 100 pieces a month.

"It's funny because it's been less about money now. It's been more about just working and growing, and just trying things."

Kazadi sold his work before NIL restrictions were lifted, but couldn't put his name on it, have shows or promote his art on his Instagram or website.

"It was just basically relying on people to know that I was an artist and then doing stuff for super cheap," Kazadi said. Because of these limitations, he said he wasn't able to sell pieces for much -- $30 for a sketch, and maybe around $100 for a painting if he was lucky.

"It wasn't at the scale, even close to what it was now," he said.

Kazadi said he's able to get higher prices for his work now because people know it is his and he's able to promote it. The greater financial freedom has given him more time to experiment with his art and continue to improve at his craft.

Entire article: https://www.espn.com/college-footba...-helped-smu-football-rasun-kazadi-grow-artist
 
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