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Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL)

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The recently retired running back and his wife, Lilit, tell Playboy about their effort to spread positivity with Celebrity Watch Party

Reggie Bush is constantly observing. His gift for locating holes and eluding tackles was clear during his three years at USC, where he established himself as one of the elite college running backs of his or any era. He followed this with 11 seasons in the NFL, including a Super Bowl win for the New Orleans Saints in 2010. So perhaps it’s fitting that since his retirement in 2017 his life has continued to revolve around studying and absorbing—but instead of defensive schemes, he’s now sizing up our culture, our leaders, our status quo.

Bush, who joined Fox Sports’ college football coverage last year as an analyst, adds to his TV résumé this month with the Fox series Celebrity Watch Party. The unscripted show features, among a slew of recognizable faces, Reggie and his wife, Lilit Avagyan, on their couch at home as they react to episodes of 9-1-1, Nailed It! and RuPaul’s Drag Race. Watch Party is the latest example of TV networks pivoting to create new programming as Hollywood production remains shut down during the pandemic.

Even as he binge-watches TV and raises three young children with Lilit, the 35-year-old star has a lot on his mind. Joining his wife for a recent conversation with Playboy, Reggie shared his thoughts on Trump’s handling of the coronavirus, Tom Brady calling for an investigation into the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, the price of playing football and the financial guidance that no one gave him.

PLAYBOY: What made you want to do Celebrity Watch Party?

REGGIE: The show is doing a great job allowing people to focus on some positive, funny content. More than ever, we need positive stuff, because on social media it seems like it’s all negative, all drama-filled, and you start to live in this different world where you get paralyzed with Instagram and Twitter. It happens to me all the time. So we try to remind ourselves to not focus too much on the negative—the police brutality, the politics, the pandemic. We try to digress a little from time to time, because we need normalcy.

Entire article: https://www.playboy.com/read/reggie-bush

In June of 2010, the NCAA, citing lack of institutional control and failure to monitor, levied historic sanctions on the USC football program as a result of Bush — and his family — accepting impermissible benefits from “unscrupulous agents.” The stiff sanctions were a result of the NCAA finding Bush had received in the neighborhood of $300,000 in illegal benefits from would-be marketers while a member of the football program. The 2005 Heisman Trophy winner voluntarily relinquished his award from that year in September of 2010.
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Needless to say, Reggie Bush is "an expert" and/or authority on paying college football players, etc.

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Oregon, Arizona St athletes challenge NCAA in federal court

Attorneys filed a lawsuit against the NCAA in federal court Monday that seeks to prevent the association from limiting the amount of money athletes can make off their names, images and likenesses.

The antitrust lawsuit by attorneys representing two current college athletes also seeks damages for potential past earnings athletes have been denied by current NCAA rules. Arizona State swimmer Grant House and Oregon women's basketball player Sedona Prince are the plaintiffs.

They are suing the NCAA and the Power Five Conferences — the Atlantic Coast Conference, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and Southeastern Conference — for unspecified damages. The suit seeks class-action status.

The latest legal challenge comes as the NCAA is the process of changing its rules to allow college athletes to earn money from third parties for things such as social media endorsements, sponsorship deals and personal appearances. The NCAA is also seeking help from Congress in the form of a federal law regarding name, image and likeness compensation that would superseded legislation being pushed at the state level.

Florida's governor signed an NIL bill into law last week that would go into effect July 2021.

The lawsuit makes the case that by changing course on name, image and likeness compensation, the NCAA is contradicting its previous defense of the collegiate model.

“This is the needle that NCAA has had to thread,” said Gave Feldman, director of the Tulane sports law program. “The NCAA has argued that any payment to college athletes needs to be tethered to education or incidental to athletic participation. Anything that is not tethered to education or is not incidental to athletic participation will destroy amateurism or destroy college sports.

“The plaintiffs are now arguing that compensation for name, image and likeness is not tethered to education and is not incidental to participation and therefore destroys the NCAA”s own definition of amateurism and erases the line between college and pro."

Entire article: https://www.foxnews.com/sports/oregon-arizona-st-athletes-challenge-ncaa-in-federal-court
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
Not "the paradigm shift to change amateur sports"

It's the paradigm shift to utterly obliterate the thin veil of amateurism
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If COVID-19 finally does away with the student-athlete myth, then there is a silver lining to every cloud.

If it also does away with college athletics, then I'm okay with that. I want what's best for the players, not what's best for the fans.
 
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To keep this out of the season thread, I don't believe direct payments are necessary, because I do believe the direct compensation in the form of the scholarship and team benefits are "enough" on that front. The 3rd party NIL payments, managed through the schools/conferences, is what has always been the missing piece, IMO. Allow them to get a bit from merch sales and licensing agreements, at a reasonable set percentage for everyone, not higher percentages for star players, as the star players will generally move more merch and realize their higher value that way. It maintains a fairly level playing field in terms of opportunity to earn across the team/different sports, and doesn't result in non-revenue sports having another cost associated with it outside of very minimal accounting time that is likely equal to what they'll be paying out for those sports. The interesting/complicated and more easily abused part is local and regional endorsements. I think this might be an area where the "free market" can't be allowed to work, and there have to be tighter limitations imposed by the schools/conference. I could see flat fees (set the same for everyone) being the way to manage this, as time isn't unlimited, and this could be how the non-stars, backups, and non-rev players realize their value to the school.
 
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scarletmike said:
To keep this out of the season thread, I don't believe direct payments are necessary, because I do believe the direct compensation in the form of the scholarship and team benefits are "enough" on that front. The 3rd party NIL payments, managed through the schools/conferences, is what has always been the missing piece, IMO. Allow them to get a bit from merch sales and licensing agreements, at a reasonable set percentage for everyone, not higher percentages for star players, as the star players will generally move more merch and realize their higher value that way. It maintains a fairly level playing field in terms of opportunity to earn across the team/different sports, and doesn't result in non-revenue sports having another cost associated with it outside of very minimal accounting time that is likely equal to what they'll be paying out for those sports. The interesting/complicated and more easily abused part is local and regional endorsements. I think this might be an area where the "free market" can't be allowed to work, and there have to be tighter limitations imposed by the schools/conference. I could see flat fees (set the same for everyone) being the way to manage this, as time isn't unlimited, and this could be how the non-stars, backups, and non-rev players realize their value to the school.
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Interesting.

My first reaction would be to let the general endorsement money from apparel and TV contracts act as the platform for the lower players and let the free market work for the stars.

I don't know that the fear of abuse is what it once was or should even be a fear at all. If Billy Joe's used car mart in Alabama wants to pay a huge endorsement fee then let the IRS police it for you. The B1G schools, especially OSU can go toe to toe in that arena and probably surpass them.
 
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I was wondering if a potential postponement of football into the first few months of 2021 would allow the new Name/Image/Likeness rules to come into play. But the NCAA plans to release rules in January, 2021 that take effect in July, 2021, so any delay apparently won’t allow football players to benefit from the upcoming NIL changes during the 2020/21 academic year.
 
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