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Smith pays Clarett's cell phone bill

Nothing new here, but mc is one persuasive fellow. Recall as new freshmen, he called out the TEAM for lagging it? BEFORE the season opener! Outspoken, talented and put his performance where his mouth was. Soon after his phenomenal successes on the field, we had the first glimpse of his self-ish-ness. Complaints. Blame to OSU for personal shortcomings. Bitching to anyone (mostly media) who would listen. mc learned real quick if he addressed anything to the media it would show up on t.v. and on sport pages in a day. What we didn't know was that mc is a classic narcissistic personality; try change'n one of these people...I wish you luck, because everywhere they go, everything they do is measured by "what's in it for beautiful me, me, me, me, me, me, me and me."

During all this, Smith witnessed the end result: mc drives all these cars, has stereo, ladies, phone(s), $$, influence, is "the man", team respect for his physical performance, and a lot we don't know. These two were buddies. Shared a lot of common background and experience. Had all sorts of people in awe.

In a large sense, TS was 'behold'n' to mc. mc was going to pros, had the world by the tail, Jim Brown defended mc; Brown is still a legend in Cleveland, especially in the Black community.

The cell phone thing makes sense to me on how it could happen. Easy. Helping a friend out. mc knew the drill, but no longer was a Buckeye. Go knock on the door...put your hand out. It'll work. I need your help. Keep what's left over....

None of this floats. It's an insult to the TEAM, coaches, school...everyone in the mix. But, I can see how it happened.
 
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It sounds like a number of people on this board are confident that nothing (or very little) will come of this. However, if Troy Smith needed money to pay the phone bill, why did he go to that booster, a person who just happened to pay him a large amount of money (2 games worth) without requiring any work from Troy? Why did he choose him? Did someone tell Smith to go to this guy to get the money he needed? If that did happen, who told him and why? Was it because this booster has a history of giving football players money?

I am glad most of you are confident that nothing will come of this, but I am not so sure. I hope you guys are right.
 
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redstatebuckeye said:
It sounds like a number of people on this board are confident that nothing (or very little) will come of this. However, if Troy Smith needed money to pay the phone bill, why did he go to that booster, a person who just happened to pay him a large amount of money (2 games worth) without requiring any work from Troy? Why did he choose him? Did someone tell Smith to go to this guy to get the money he needed? If that did happen, who told him and why? Was it because this booster has a history of giving football players money?

I am glad most of you are confident that nothing will come of this, but I am not so sure. I hope you guys are right.
As long as it wasn't someone on the staff we have nothing to worry about.
 
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redstatebuckeye said:
However, if Troy Smith needed money to pay the phone bill, why did he go to that booster, a person who just happened to pay him a large amount of money (2 games worth) without requiring any work from Troy?
I can be a bit dim, but why is this "2 games worth" of money? What's a "games worth"?

ohiobuck94 said:
It was Mr. Such and Such!
Hey, 94, I just gotta know, was it with the wrench in the library? Are you sure it wasn't Mrs Plum with the candlestick?:lol:

I agree with others, if he wasn't told to go to the booster by someone in the Athletics Department or coaching staff, then this is not a problem. Of course, it seems plausible that MoC directed him, but we don't really know that. I think 9 out of 10 people are probably drawing this link right now.

It is interesting that Jim Tressel is saying that he wished he had told him about this because there is money set aside to help address problems. As a student, I got short term emergency loans to help pay for groceries on three occasions and then paid these off over the next quarter. So, I assume that these things still exist and that is the kind of thing to which Tressel refers.
 
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redstatebuckeye said:
....why did he go to that booster, a person who just happened to pay him a large amount of money (2 games worth) without requiring any work from Troy? Why did he choose him? Did someone tell Smith to go to this guy to get the money he needed? If that did happen, who told him and why? Was it because this booster has a history of giving football players money?

My theory:

When I first read this newest revelation I had that sinking feeling in my stomach again. Then I started thinking, as others are, this actually helps us. It explains so many things and keeps the circle of violators to a very small number. Something that most believed from the beginning. It also apparently ties up the loose ends of this mess, reconfirming the absolute lack of credibility of MoC. I then came up with a scenario where this may not be quite as rosey as I "second thought", to coin a new phrase. :biggrin:

I will first explain where I think this helps us if the rest of my theory is complete garbage.


1) MoC saying he could "blow up" the program in 2003, but not doing so until now was more than just staying silent. He couldn't do it then. It was just self-serving bravado. Maybe he was the only one that he knew for sure was breaking the rules. (or he knew of only one other. I'll touch on this later) But now he could follow through on his threats, knowing specifically or otherwise that TS paid these bills. He would've known the amounts and also TS's ability to pay this bill without help from someone outside the NCAA's guidelines.

2) It explains why TS defended MoC just recently when so many other Buckeye players acted so surprised and disappointed by MoC's allegations. MoC was TS's "friend" and now had some dirt on him. TS either was protecting his "friend" or himself and maybe both. IIRC, TS said that he hadn't spoken with MoC in a while (I think we know why now) when the BSPN articles first came out. Knowing this happened in the spring, it would seem to me that MoC left TS and his mother high and dry with a large debt, but TS couldn't say anything about it without opening himself up to trouble. Hence his defending his "friend". TS also knew anything he might have said could give MoC a reason to again get on the phone with BSPN and expose his own skeletons. MoC had leverage over TS either by "friendship" or threat of exposing information damaging to him.

3) It explains why MoC would tell BSPN that he didn't say anything during the original investigation because "...half the team would be suspended. I just took it". Exaggeration for sure and not possibly true in 2003. But a bit closer to being true now. TS retroactively lent some truth to MoC's lies of 2003 and MoC knew it. And I don't see MoC just "taking it" for anyone. "I just took it" obviously was just an attempt to lend an air of "honor" to his misdeeds in 2003, again, retroactively. This also gives a half-rational explanation to why MoC claimed he was speaking out to "improve his image". Something no-one could comprehend at the time. He hoped it would be looked at as protecting his team mates from the original investigation, because now, with TS's infractions, he could superimpose some truth to this idea, regaining some credibility. To the casual viewer, maybe he was protecting his team mates.

I've seen others say that MoC was not this smart. I'm not claiming he was. What I see is someone who with a little manipulation and some dumb luck played the "angles". He was silent for so long for a reason. I believe it was because he lied and he knew it. But all of a sudden, he saw circumstances change to where he could attempt to put himself into a better light hoping that the timeline would not be closely scrutinized or that all the information would not come to light.

All this being said, it doesn't explain everything. The question that keeps being brought up is "Who put TS in contact with Mr. Baker and how would they know he would be willing to give TS money if he asked". After re-reading/re-thinking what has gone on in this whole thing, I find myself thinking that there is one more piece of the puzzle and again tOSU may take a hit. Going on the belief that no-one from the staff or University made this introduction and with no reports that MoC knew Mr. Baker, I believe that leaves one other person who may have set this up, with what we know today. Chris Gamble. He had a pre-existing relationship with Mr. Baker. He worked for him. He was close enough to him, apparently, to call him during the Fiesta Bowl. Did Gamble call in a favor for TS? Is there something we may not know about Gamble and his dealings with Mr. Baker? I don't think it's much of a stretch to think Mr. Baker didn't just all of a sudden turn into a slimeball when TS came calling. The Poly-Care incident reports say "relationships with Ohio State players". While we've heard Pittman's name, it appears Pittman never went back after the one visit, according to reports. Not much of a relationship. Who else is this report referring to then? It would not surprise me to learn that CG had either taken something from Mr. Baker or had been propositioned by Mr. Baker. This would explain how TS would know that Mr. Baker was willing to break the rules. This would widen the scope of this mess by one person to include CG.

This is obviously all speculation, but I think that it fits the timeline and answers some of the questions that are being posed. I think there is enough information archived on this very site to support a lot of these suppositions. I am posting this to see if anyone else has thought about this and wondered if it seems far-fetched. I am hoping that Mr. Baker is MoC's infamous Mr. Such-n-Such because that, I believe, would mean that the worst of it is out and make the last part of my post pure garbage.
 
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I can be a bit dim, but why is this "2 games worth" of money? What's a "games worth"?
The length of the suspension has less to do with the amount of money he took, and more to do with the timing of his violation. It's related to the amount of time between the initial violation and the discovery and remedy of the problem.

For the NCAA's purposes, they think of these thing more in terms of eligibility over time than the value of the violation. To them, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference between receiving bags of cash or receiving a Value Meal at Wendy's. The way they see it, he compromised his eligibility for X amount of time, and as punishment, they are going to take that amount and then some back from him.
 
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Saw - I still think the most likely explanation is that MoC directed TS to the booster, probably when Smith was asking him for the money to pay the bill. I follow your theory, and see how it could be possible, but even if that's the case, the worst outcome is that everyone finds out Gamble was crooked, too. Now, don't get me wrong, that would be bad, but I just don't see it. I can't remember if Gamble and Smith were close (I don't think so), it really sounds like this whole mess comes directly from MoC.
 
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FKAGobucks877 said:
Saw - I still think the most likely explanation is that MoC directed TS to the booster, probably when Smith was asking him for the money to pay the bill. I follow your theory, and see how it could be possible, but even if that's the case, the worst outcome is that everyone finds out Gamble was crooked, too. Now, don't get me wrong, that would be bad, but I just don't see it. I can't remember if Gamble and Smith were close (I don't think so), it really sounds like this whole mess comes directly from MoC.

That is what I'm hoping. And if we find out MoC sent him to Baker, I think this mess will have finally run it's course. MoC is once and for all exposed for what he is, BSPN looks terrible for giving credence to a guy who would do this to his "friends", and the booster situation is confined to this one guy, the infamous Mr. Such-n-Such. Another possibility would be that Gamble told MoC about Baker and then MoC told TS. I am feeling confident that we will, at some point, find out the whole story and the truth may be a lot more benign than our imaginations.
 
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The one thing that I don't understand about all of this is why in the world would someone want to give away free money to kids they don't even know? Even if you do have money comming out of your ass what would be the point in just giving it to a college athlete (or any amateur athlete for that matter) knowing damn well that it is only going to hurt them in the long run? I understand the concept of other schools boosters trying these things just to start shit but in the case of Mr. Baker he was obviously a fan of the program. I just don't get it.
 
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Sigh...Why didn't the fatass Clarett just get the money himself from Baker instead of implicating Smith. I mean, Clarett was no longer a student nor an athlete at OSU last spring, so it would have been legal for him to obtain money, right?
Exactly, Smith didn't even take illegal benefits. He was just the Currier :wink2:
 
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