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I think you guys are arguing about subsidies that are not the major problem when it comes to the role of goverment in our everyday lives.
The problem is now and has been for some time, pork barrel spending.
The goverment spends billions and billions of dollars on worthless acts that benefit only a chosen few.
One of the big ones off the top of my head is the CARA act. Conservation and reinvestment act. I think this porker is costing the tax payers around 45 billion dollars and it benefits(?) two states. Alaska and Louisiana.
The bill was co sponsored by to senators, one I believe is an Alaskan Rep. and the other is newly elected Mary L. (D-LA.)
Congress is not interested in the over all well being of our country. They are interested in being re-elected and servicing the state or district they represent. Untill we change this mindset of our elected officials we can expect more and more waste of OUR dollars in Washington.
 
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If you want to help, private charity.
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Jeez, at least come up with something that passes the laugh test. Private Charities are soooo 19th Century.

Also, a liberal is NOT someone who believes that Government is supposed to cure social problems. If that were the case, Your Namesake, Ronald Reagan and both Bushes would be considered flaming liberals.

As for health care, the rational solution would not to nationalize the health care system, but, instead, the health insurance industry, thereby lowering the costs to doctors in the form of premiums, and thereafter to the consumers, without taking away the incentive for medical research.
 
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ashlandbuck said:
Congress is not interested in the over all well being of our country. They are interested in being re-elected and servicing the state or district they represent. Untill we change this mindset of our elected officials we can expect more and more waste of OUR dollars in Washington.
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But that is precisely what they are supposed to do. That is why congress is designed the way it is. That's what the founders wanted. It is well explained by James Madison and Alexander Hamilton in the Federalist Papers
 
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Woody

Yeah,of course. It's called a representative republic. I'm not stupid and the forefathers would roll over in their graves if they knew to what extent the current congress has taken their roll of representing their constituency
 
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" As for health care, the rational solution would not to nationalize the health care system, but, instead, the health insurance industry, "

Let me get this straight. You are a socialist and you want me to come up with something that "passes the laugh test"?

Speaking of people's namesakes, your namesake was an arch-conservative who was friends with my namesake.
 
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Let me get this straight. You are a socialist and you want me to come up with something that "passes the laugh test"?
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If I were a socialist, I would nationalize the Health Care industry. That's not what I am saying. What I am saying is that Health Insurance is a scam, pure and simple. It would be more accurate to label me a utilitarian, because I believe that a society is only as strong as it's weakest link. I do not believe that basic health care should be a privledge.

As for Woody Hayes' politics: I admire Woody as a football coach and a human being. I really don't take his political beliefs into account.
 
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Wanting to nationalize ANY industry is socialist. You can't pick and choose: oh, if I want to take over the shoe industry, I'm a socialist, but if I want to take over the computer industry, I'm not a socialist.

Utilitarianism, huh? "Greatest good for the greatest number"? Well, this conversation isn't going to go anywhere, so I'm out.
 
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Wanting to nationalize ANY industry is socialist. You can't pick and choose: oh, if I want to take over the shoe industry, I'm a socialist, but if I want to take over the computer industry, I'm not a socialist.
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Socialism is an entire economic system. Just because the government controls the police force, or the issuence of drivers licenses, doesn't mean that the USA is "socialist." Yet that is exactly what you are saying.

You get points for the Philosophy 101 definition of Utilitarianism, but you don't know what a liberal or a socialist is.
 
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Basic health care isn't a natural right either, is it?
Im a constitutionalist and I'm not sure there's an amendment.
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How many things are there out there that are "natural rights?"

In all honesty, the free market approach that Nixon supports has created an artificial shortage of health care, and has been an utter failure.
 
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Woody1968 said:
Socialism is an entire economic system. Just because the government controls the police force, or the issuence of drivers licenses, doesn't mean that the USA is "socialist." Yet that is exactly what you are saying.

You get points for the Philosophy 101 definition of Utilitarianism, but you don't know what a liberal or a socialist is.
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The US is most certainly "socialist", in some respects. The US is a mixed economy. It is a mix between socialism and capitalism.

Only a socialist or a person with socialist leanings would suggest that the government take over even more industries than it already controls. I mean, if the government takes over everything other than making socks and hamburgers, we're still capitalist, right, because our entire economic system is not controlled by the government? :roll2:
 
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