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Spanish Election

Discussion in 'Open Discussion (Work-safe)' started by Oh8ch, Mar 14, 2004.

  1. buckiprof

    buckiprof 21st Century Buckeye Man Staff Member

    Nixon - I know woody1968 has pointed this out to you already, but you have no idea what a liberal is. Which has me wondering if you have any idea of what a conservative, let alone an ultra-conservative, really is.
     
  2. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    Yeah, nice tactic. Someone disagrees with you call them a socialist, rather than contribute meaningfully. Very effective.

    I don't recall saying anything about Canada's health care system. If I did, please point it out to me.
     
  3. BuckeyeInTheBoro

    BuckeyeInTheBoro This space left intentionally blank

    ???

    Where did I bring political parties into it? You sound very defensive. I spoke about why I thought it was a bad idea to "vote with (really for) your pocketbook." A novel approach would be to look at what would be best for the long-term good of our country and vote accordingly. You might do that and come up with a very different answer than me, but at least you'll have respected the decision and voted with your brain and/or heart instead of your pocketbook. I can respect the way you make a decision even if I disagree with the decision you make. Conversely, I can disagree with the reasoning you use for making a choice and still agree with the choice.


    In summary:
    The assertion was made that most people will be voting with their wallets.
    The response was basically, "Gosh I hope not"
    I was surprised that so many people seemed to disagree with the response.
    I agreed with the response and backed it up.

    This has nothing to do with political parties and/or socioeconomic status, just my opinion on whether or not it is misguided for ANYONE to "vote their wallet".
     
  4. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    two words.....

    term limits.....
     
  5. Nixon

    Nixon Wears Scarlet-colored glasses

    I know exactly what a liberal and a conservative is by today's common parlance. I don't give a flying crap what you think these things are by your scholarly academic definitions. I am using "liberal" and "conservative" as they are commonly used in modern American politics.

    "Yeah, nice tactic. Someone disagrees with you call them a socialist, rather than contribute meaningfully. Very effective."

    It is not a tactic. It is a fact. Just because you feel that the word socialist has negative connotations does not change that fact. People who think the government should nationalize an industry are socialists or have socialist tendencies. You are very defensive of your belief when somebody calls it for what it is.
     
  6. tibor75

    tibor75 Banned

    I'm amused that people actually think the war on Iraq had anything to do with terrorism. Oh yeah, that's right. The 19 terrorists were actually born in Iraq, right? At least that's what the majority of Americans think so it must be true.

    :shake:
     
  7. ashlandbuck

    ashlandbuck Banned

    Umm, tibor, what are you responding to?
     
  8. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    Nixon:

    Well, since you admit that you have no interest in scholarly and academic things, it is no wonder that you have to resort to accusing people of being socialists, rather than providing us with a thoughtful well drafted response to our opinions on the issue of health care in America.

    I really don't associate socialism as being inherantly negative, but I can see that you do, which is why I called you out on your wrong definition. It's cool though, if you don't want to learn anything new.

    Now, as to the issue of this thread, which I believe is the Spanish Elections, It shouldn't be a suprise that the Socialist Party won. The socialist parties in France and Germany have been in control off and on for the past 20 years.

    (and no, Nixon, Those countries have not imploded)
     
  9. ashlandbuck

    ashlandbuck Banned

     
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2004
  10. ashlandbuck

    ashlandbuck Banned

    Germany and France......The models of economic boom and stability.
    What is the unemployment rate in France today? 20%?
     
  11. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    Who cares? The point is that socialism is a widely practiced system in Europe! Do you even bother to read the posts, or do you just throw a hissy fit everytime you see "Germany and France" mentioned?

    On the contrary, I know many conservatives who are not intolerant or narrowminded. I never said such nonsense.
     
  12. Nixon

    Nixon Wears Scarlet-colored glasses

    "Well, since you admit that you have no interest in scholarly and academic things,"

    That is a proposterous strawman. I said that I do not care about buckiprof's scholarly definitions of "liberal" and "conservative"--I am using them in the way they are commonly used in American politics today. To take this and jump to your conclusion is laughable.

    "it is no wonder that you have to resort to accusing people of being socialists"

    I am not accusing you of being anything. I am taking what you have said your position is and saying that it is a socialist position...which it is. Socialism does not have to be a negative. I of course think it is, but if I was Lenin, I would take it as a compliment.

    "rather than providing us with a thoughtful well drafted response to our opinions on the issue of health care in America."

    My opinion on health care in America is very simple. I know of no industry which is cheaper, more efficient, and more responsive to consumer demand when run by the state than when run by private capitalists. And I have no reason to believe that health care is an exception to this.

    "I really don't associate socialism as being inherantly negative, but I can see that you do, which is why I called you out on your wrong definition."

    No, you don't which is fine. But then you shouldn't be afraid to accept what your beliefs are.

    If you "accuse" me of being a capitalist, of despising utilitarianism, and of having some Randian/libertarian leanings on economics, I will not be angry. That is who I am. I am proud of that. I am not ashamed of what I believe. I do not care if somebody who does not like lassiez faire capitalism is opposed to me because I support some if not all of those ideals.

    "(and no, Nixon, Those countries have not imploded"

    I sure as heck wouldn't want to live there.
     
  13. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    OK, one more time. I siad nationalize health insurance, not health care. Do you not understand the difference?

    Believe me, I do not condone the nationalization of very many industries. I am as capitalistic as you. Capitalism pays my bills.
     
  14. ashlandbuck

    ashlandbuck Banned

    Woody

    Wait a second there learned one..... I can't believe you said "who cares" after chiding nixon for not caring to learn something.
    You were the one that brought France into this conversation and when I try to enlighten you to the fact that their system is inherently bad and all you have to do to know that is to look at various economic indicators, you respond by saying,"who cares"? Rather narrow minded, don't you think.
     
  15. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    Uh, excuse me, but Nixon was throwing a bunch of terms around and using them incorrectly. I mentioned, in reference to a completely different topic, that the victory of the Spanish Socialist Party is not an anomoly in comparison to other European countries.
     

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