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Nixon, I don't have to tell you that none of what you just said is relevant or correct. You are assuming facts that aren't stated, a big mistake in any rational debate.

There is no industry that is better served being controlled by a government bureacracy than being served by private industry that I know of.
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The Army?

There is no place in the world with such a high level of quality health care as the United States of America. And it is one of the only countries that has a private health care system. Coincidence? I think not.
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You say that America's health care is better than anywhere else. Well, while it is true that we have an advanced health care system, many necessary treatments are denied to some on the basis of wealth or lack of health insurance. Since not ALL Americans have access, it can hardly be as good as it can be.

Not only that, but I feel that every American should have the right to choose their own health care provider if they so desire. Nationalizing health insurance would allow the government to dictate where I could go to the doctor. That is revolting.
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You say that you don't want the government to tell you what Doctors you can go to. I'm not sure what you mean. In the system of private health insurance, this is exactly what happens, but you are for private health insurance. Nationalized health insurance means you can go to any doctor you want, at any time, for anything. Since all doctors are on the national plan, your statement makes no sense.

Not only that, but I feel that every American should have the right to invest in or start a health insurance company if they so desire. I believe that everybody should have the right to pursue their living in whatever legal field they desire. I believe in capitalism.
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You say that people should be able to choose their profession. Again, there is no choice of profession that is at issue here.

Sorry Nixon but your inflammatory rhetoric may be enough to fool some people, but your lack of logic and your blatent misrepresentations still don't add up to an argument.
 
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woody1968 - Two comments you recently made to Nixon

"Nixon, I don't have to tell you that none of what you just said is relevant or correct. You are assuming facts that aren't stated, a big mistake in any rational debate."

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"Sorry Nixon but your inflammatory rhetoric may be enough to fool some people, but your lack of logic and your blatent misrepresentations still don't add up to an argument."

are some things that I too have experienced with him. (Or not giving a direct answer and slyly changing to something else is another tactic.) But I do applaud your efforts and patience with trying to have a civil, logical conversation with him.
 
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"You say that America's health care is better than anywhere else. Well, while it is true that we have an advanced health care system, many necessary treatments are denied to some on the basis of wealth or lack of health insurance. Since not ALL Americans have access, it can hardly be as good as it can be."

And if ALL Americans have access, it will undoubtebly be worse for those who have access now. Yeah, that's fair...drag everybody down to the same low level

"In the system of private health insurance, this is exactly what happens, but you are for private health insurance."

The PRIVATE insurance company tells you who you can go to, not the government.

"Nationalized health insurance means you can go to any doctor you want, at any time, for anything. Since all doctors are on the national plan, your statement makes no sense."

What if the doctor doesn't want to be on the national plan? How come doctors have no freedom to choose who they will and will not do buisness with? This is yet another reason I find this revolting.

"You say that people should be able to choose their profession. Again, there is no choice of profession that is at issue here."

No one can be a health insurance salesman or a health insurance ENTREPRENUER if the government has NATIONALIZED the industry. Just like I can't start a post office.

"Sorry Nixon but your inflammatory rhetoric may be enough to fool some people, but your lack of logic and your blatent misrepresentations still don't add up to an argument."

If calling a spade a spade is "inflammatory", so be it.

"are some things that I too have experienced with him. (Or not giving a direct answer and slyly changing to something else is another tactic.) But I do applaud your efforts and patience with trying to have a civil, logical conversation with him."

Mr "DUHbya" is lecturing people about inflammatory rhetoric? Get off the soapbox.
 
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Woody1968 said:
OK, Citizen. I think the propaganda machines are overheating...
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My opinion about what socialism is is not propaganda. It is my belief about what socialism is. You have no problem spouting your beliefs with an air of moral authority, but get really, really defensive when other people do likewise.
 
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nix -

" Mr "DUHbya" is lecturing people about inflammatory rhetoric? Get off the soapbox."

I respect people's different viewpoints and opinions and respond in kind. From the beginning, you have had an attitude of unusual arrogance, thoughtless rantings, and condescending remarks. Once I encounter that over and over, I may tend to respond in kind. The methods you use in a discussion are tantamount to a rudderless ship. It appears that you believe that by tossing in as many negative adjectives while stating "the truth" will "win" the discussion. I would guess that in a face-to-face discussion, your tactics would be to simply talk louder.

As for the soapbox comment, it appears that you were born there.

As I said in another thread when I tired of your crap and drivel, I am done with you here. Good bye Nixon.
 
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"Once I encounter that over and over, I may tend to respond in kind. The methods you use in a discussion are tantamount to a rudderless ship."

You posted on "DUHbya" in threads in which I was not a part. You use "inflammatory rhetoric" as much as anybody. You are a hypocrite and your only response is to accuse louder. You are exactly what I would expect out of a college professor. You need to get out of your ivory tower and realize that people are turned off by your arrogance and your smugness in thinking that you know more about everything than the stupid little people just because you are an agent of "higher learning". It will really crush me not to be talked down to by your highness anymore.
 
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OK, Nixon, if your goal was to look like you don't know what you are talking about, I'd say you have done well. Your last response to my comments reads like a 3 year old trying to explain quantum physics. I'm sorry that we have to disagree, but so be it.

I'm sure that you can find some support for your position from some Health Insurance "ENTREPRENUERS"
 
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"You are a hypocrite and your only response is to accuse louder."

Way to make my point.

"You are exactly what I would expect out of a college professor."

Nice to see you stereotype. Consistent.

"You need to get out of your ivory tower and realize that people are turned off by your arrogance and your smugness in thinking that you know more about everything than the stupid little people just because you are an agent of "higher learning"."

Nice stereotyping again. Where you get that from in my posts, I don't know. Maybe at times the truth strikes a little closer to home eh Nixon. But again, consistent in your response of outting in as many negative adjectives as possible. Interesting tactics, but not very effective. Some simple questions for you nixon. Did you attend a university? If so, which one(s)?

"It will really crush me not to be talked down to by your highness anymore."

Fine. I will borrow a quote from another poster.

"OK, Nixon, if your goal was to look like you don't know what you are talking about, I'd say you have done well. Your last response to my comments reads like a 3 year old trying to explain quantum physics"

I would have said that much earlier but I was trapped in my ivory tower:roll2:

Sorry to all posters that I couldn't really say good bye to nixon.
 
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You are too funny. You accuse others of using "rhetoric", while you spout off about "Rush Bimbo" and "DUHbya". You accuse others of sterotyping, when you talk about how liberals tend to be more open-minded...oh wait, that's not a stereotype. You know them. So its okay for you to call the conservatives you know close-minded. And you think I've never run into any college professors?

You act as if you are above the fray. You act as if you are the model, the ideal of civil, polite discourse--as you throw out your "DUHbyas" and quote people talking about 3 year olds. Face it. You're in the fray as much as anybody. You can dish it out, but you sure as heck can't take it. You say you're done, you're going to ignore me, and then you post some more. That's really big. You rail against "negative adjectives", as you refer to "arrogance", "thoughtless rantings", and "condescending remarks". But calling the President "DUHbya", no, that's not the least bit condescending. Everybody knows you're smarter then him.

So now, I'm done with you. But unlike you, I mean it.
 
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Woody

In answering nixon's claim that there isn't any industry that is better served by being controlled by the goverment your response was "The army".
Actually, the army is fueled and supplied by the evil private corporations.
Who do you think builds such weapon systems as the F16 fighting falcon and the M1 Abrams tank? General Dynamics.Not the U.S. goverment.
Our capabilities to build such dominating weapon systems can only be attributed to the free market system. The latest equipment that this country uses is the result of unbelievable competition between companies that want the goverments dollars. If not for this competition, The goverment would be designing equipment such as the T72 and T80 tanks that the Russians use as their main battle tank. A battle tank which has shown to be completely inferior to its American counterpart.
I would go as far to say that the only real role the U.S. goverment plays when considering the military is as a paymaster.
 
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I agree with everything you were saying ashlandbuck, but I was speaking of direct control, of which "paymaster" is the important element. For example, are we better served by a nationalized military, or privatly controlled armies - like warlords in Afghanistan.
 
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A military must be publically controlled, because the military acts on the will of the people through their government. I cannot as an individual or corporation, form a military and overthrow Sadaam Hussein. But I can, as a corporation, provide people with health insurance. The military acts on behalf of the entire country. My personal health care is of no consequence to anyone but myself. I am responsible for my own health care, and the free market is capable of providing health care. I cannot be responsible, on my own, for defending myself from Al Queda. Some things must be government run. Most things can be privately run, and are better when run privately, and health care is one of them.
 
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