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Split Thread: James Bond Movies

Discussion in 'Open Discussion (Work-safe)' started by Sloopy45, Aug 24, 2004.

  1. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    AKAK: "Also... you never responded to my scathing review of Timothy Dalton's James Bond Career... I'm sad."

    Sorry, my man. I never saw it. I wrote the post, signed off, and then checked back for the 'Forum Politics' section the next day and it was defunct. I never even saw an explanation from anybody, so I have no idea where it went.

    If you can rewrite or find me the original post, I'd be more than happy to whip up a noteworthy reply.
     
  2. AKAK

    AKAK Mayor of Turkey Balls Falls Staff Member Bookie

  3. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    OT: Timothy Dalton & Apology

    I apologize for replying to this on this thread. I've got no other place to post my reply.

    AKAK: "Yeah... What's up with that?"

    Yeah, if a Mod or somebody could say where the 'Forum Politics' forum went, I'd appreciate it. I liked that section.

    Anyway, onto Dalton:

    "In fact, That and Moonraker are probably the only ones I have seen fewer than 5 times.... Never Say Never Again included... I hated License to Kill... "

    I agree with you on Moonraker. I thought it was by far the worst of all the Bond movies. It was pure crap. I don't include 'Never Say Never' again because its not an official Bond flick, and just a shoddy remake of Thunderball.

    I thought License to Kill was great. Its a little more violent than the other Bond films (only one with a rating above 'PG' in fact), and it took the character in other directions. It was a little closer to the Ian Fleming novels in that sense. As you know, Felix Leiter was dismembered by a Great White Shark in the movie, and in the original novels, the same type thing happened: Felix had a run in with a shark, left the FBI, and was a sort of 'Retired Freelance Spy' that helped Bond. I liked the action, the characters, and the chicks in the movie as well.

    "Bond keeps the gratuitous Chick tagging to a minimum..."

    Agreed. That's a major problem I have with the Living Daylights. I do like 'Daylights' because I felt it was a refresher from the Roger Moore (apologies to Tibbs) Bond movies which had gotten stale. The franchise needed to go in another direction at that time.

    "but I guess they let Maude Adams do a couple tours of duty too."

    Maude Adams was in three Bond flicks (most of any chick outside of Moneypenny): The Man With the Golden Gun, Octopussy, and she had a cameo in (I believe) a View to a Kill.

    "How about Osama the Merciless?"

    I'd suggest a 'Saddam the Merciless,' but the Liberals would have a cow since Hussein was such a great guy.

    And for the record (I'm sure you disagree), my two favorite Bond flicks of all time are: 1. The Spy Who Loved Me, and 2. Live and Let Die.
     
  4. AKAK

    AKAK Mayor of Turkey Balls Falls Staff Member Bookie

    Hey.. if anyone wants to talk about impact Freshmen- There's an available thread in Forum Politics.

    Yeah- But it was on HBo everyday for like 2 Years when I was like 11... so... I've seen in 32000 times... I did like the video game as an upgrade over the Trap/Skeet Match... But other than that, Thunderball was superior.

    Well-- I did read somewhere a long time ago that Dalton and the Producers were looking to move back toward a more 'stoic' Bond, that had the feel of the novels... I think with the cold calculating Bond in Casino Royale... He of the receiving torturous interrogation (See genital Mutilation) and then whacking everyone who did it... for fun.

    Generally I agree with the road things were taking probably needed a turn back... Connery had sort of incorporated his own 'dashing' kind of flavor to the character that sort of came to dominate the role as he went on.... (Lazenby only used this aspect and ruined what could have been the best Film) and By the time Moore took it over... he was... at least after his first 3 or 4 films... almost a Caricature of "007". So I see your point, I just thought it sucked anyway.... I think with Brosnan (Who would have doen Living Daylights anyway) they told him to be a big of a hardass as he could, and it would work, because he's so damn smooth naturally... it was going to work out.

    I do not remember her in View to a Kill.... Hmmm?

    I stopped trying to rate my favorites a while back.... I will say that The Spy Who Loved me is right at the top of the list... In Moore-dom.. I'd probably go with Spy who Loved me, then Man With the Golden Gun (Is Herve Villachaise (sp?) the Man or not... SCrew Mini Me), then Live and Let Die...

    As you're now anticipating... I'm a Connery Man... From Russia with Love #1, I really like the Spectre/Communsit Double Agent Interaction stuff in that... Great Arch Villainy... Then Goldfinger... of course the greatest villain.. he cheats at Golf... I also like Dr No quite a bit.

    Anyway... I loved Goldeneye... and I like Pierce Brosnan well enough, but the rest of his films are "Pretty Good"
     
  5. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    AKAK: "Lazenby only used this aspect and ruined what could have been the best Film"

    Despite Lazenby's performance, OHMSS is still a great film. Quite possibly the best Bond script ever, IMO. I loved the movie. In my Top 7, for sure.

    "By the time Moore took it over... he was... at least after his first 3 or 4 films... almost a Caricature of "007"

    Again, apologies to Tibbs and Roger Moore (I'll refrain from critiqing Return of the Jedi for fear of insulting Salacious B. Crumb), I agree that "Golden Gun," "Spy," and Live and Let Die were great, but his last four movies (with the exception of a View to a Kill which was decent) all sucked. Moonraker, For Your Eyes Only, and Octopussy are on the bottom of my Bond list. They even blew the Final Showdown with Blofeld in For Your Eyes Only.

    "I do not remember her in View to a Kill.... Hmmm?"

    She had a cameo in one of the crowds in the movie. Moore and the Director put her in there as a sort of gag. If you look closely, you'll see her walk by.

    "As you're now anticipating... I'm a Connery Man... From Russia with Love #1"

    From Russia is a great flick. It'd probably be my third favorite Connery Bond behind Goldfinger (#1) and Dr. No (#2).

    "Then Goldfinger... of course the greatest villain"

    I can't put Goldfinger as the best villain. For that, I have three words: Ernst Stavro Fuckin' Blofeld.

    "Anyway... I loved Goldeneye... and I like Pierce Brosnan well enough, but the rest of his films are "Pretty Good"

    Actually Goldeneye is my least favorite of the Brosnan Bonds. I liked all the other ones much better. I know this is blasphemy, but Brosnan is the best Bond, IMO. He looks like you imagine Bond to look like, he talks like him, acts like him, is smooth, and can pull off the action scenes. I feel he hadn't quite had the grasp of the character yet in Goldeneye. I think he did much better in the next three flicks.
     
  6. AKAK

    AKAK Mayor of Turkey Balls Falls Staff Member Bookie

    See... I thought the way he did the character in Goldeneye was right on... alternately gritty and cool.. but that's just me... I imagine more people see it the way you do and that's why he 'sauved' it out a bit more.

    I imagine Fleming himself would have been torn, He probably would have loved Brosnan if he had seen him before Connery... Fleming always thought that Connery was nothing like what he envisioned Bond to be, but really liked how he did it.

    n OHMSS- I liked it too.. but Lazenby just annoys me playing the part of that impish genealogist or whatever... Telly Savalas was the man in that though... and there is some pretty nice tail running around that 'clinic'

    On Ersnt Stavro Fucking Blofeld- To me, he's kind of a neat 'Arch Villain' like Conan Doyle's Professor Moriarty...where he provides the ultimate mastermind criminal evil feel... But really, he's not that fun to me... he's just evil... in Spectre... its The "Numbers" that are fun... .. Rosa Klebb... Emilio Largo... Dr No... And The Henchmen... Nick Nack, Odd Jobb, Mr Kidd and Mr Wint....(How Gay were those Guys)... and of course... the Independants... Francisco Scaramanga, Max Zorin, and Auric Goldfinger... the Fucking Golf Cheater... I would agree that Blofeld is important to provide that aura of invincibility of the bad guy... but, outside of 'You only Live Twice" Blofeld was boring as part of the action.
     
  7. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    AKAK: "Fleming always thought that Connery was nothing like what he envisioned Bond to be, but really liked how he did it."

    Yeah. I heard that Fleming HATED Connery as Bond at first, but was so impressed by his performances that he wrote in one of his last novels (I believe it was "The Spy Who Loved Me," actually, but I could be mistaken) that Bond had some Scottish blood in his family tree, in tribute to Connery.

    "OHMSS- I liked it too.. but Lazenby just annoys me playing the part of that impish genealogist or whatever... Telly Savalas was the man in that though... and there is some pretty nice tail running around that 'clinic'"

    Definately. However, I think Lazenby's overall performance is pretty bad, so the Wimpy Geneologist guise never stuck out like a sore thumb for me. I thought the Moore "Gondola Driver" in Moonraker and the Clown Costume in Octopussy were much worse.

    "Nick Nack, Odd Jobb, Mr Kidd and Mr Wint....(How Gay were those Guys)... "

    Mr. Kidd & Mr. Wint sucked (literally and figuratively). You're forgetting Tee-Hee and Jaws, quite possibly the best Henchmen in my eyes.

    "Francisco Scaramanga, Max Zorin, and Auric Goldfinger"

    Scaramanga is one of my favs, however, I can never really buy Christopher Lee as the best Hitman in the World. Although he did a great job of acting in that movie. MWTGG is universally disliked by the hardcore Bond fans (almost killed the franchise), but I loved it.

    Zorin is another great bad-guy. Christopher Walken plays evil roles to a tee. Grace Jones as May Day killed that movie for me. She's a beast.

    Some others are: Hugo Drax (Great villian w/ potential, but a horrible movie and a horrible scheme), Karl Stromberg, & Dr. Kananga/Mr. Big.

    "but, outside of 'You only Live Twice" Blofeld was boring as part of the action."

    Very true. The Diamonds Are Forever Blofeld was awful, too. I'm not a big fan of that movie at all (by far the worst Connery Bond). The best Blofeld was Donald Pleasence.

    What about hottest Bond chick? Anya Amasova (Agent Triple X)? Solitaire? Pussy Galore? Dr. Holly Goodhead?
     
  8. stxbuck

    stxbuck Woody wore Sambas

    Best Movies
    1-Goldfinger-the classic-it can't be beat. Odd Job is the best henchman ever.

    2-For Your Eyes Only-it cut back on a lot of the comedy, unlike most of the Moore movies. The shark bait scene and the climb to the monastery are two of the best pure adrenalin rushes in any of the movies. Bond shoulda tapped Holly Johnson's 18 year old ass.........

    3-Dr. No-I loved the calypso music and Jamaican vibe. The scene where Bond deals w/the Chinese chick who tries to do him over is classic, and Ursula Andress is da bomb...

    4-Die Another Day-I loved the entire ice palace sequence, the surfing scenes, and whole North Korean storyline. This is definitely Brosnan's best...

    Hottest Chicks
    1-Denise Richards
    2-Ursula Andress
    3-Talisa Soto-Lupe in License to Kill-one of the more underrated films,IMO
    4-Carol Bouqet-For Your Eyes Only

    Best Villains
    1-Auric Goldfinger
    2-Max Zorin
    3-Dr. No
    4-Alex Trevaleyn-Sean Bean -in Goldeneye-really the only thing I liked about that particular movie
     
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2004
  9. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    stx: Nice list. Odd to see Tomorrow Never Dies and FYEO in with GF and Dr. No.
     
  10. buckeyebri

    buckeyebri It’s A Beautiful Day

    Connery in my opinion was the best Bond. He was suave, sophisticated, and charismatic.

    Even though I didn't like Moore all that well, I felt that "For your Eyes Only" was one of the best Bond movies. I agree with you Stx on Holly Johnson!! What ever happened to her after that movie? I also dug the main female character in that movie (don't know her name)!!!

    I thought Dalton brought the series back to some normalcy after the almost silly Moore films near the end of his time as Bond.

    Best babes would include the above ladies mentioned along with Dr. Goodhead, Pussy Galore, and Maude Adams in no particular order. They can all eat crackers in my bed.

    Who was the first Bond and what was the first movie? I want to say it was Casino Royale, but am not sure who played Bond... There was another one timer other than Lazenby who only played the original film if I am not mistaken
     
  11. AKAK

    AKAK Mayor of Turkey Balls Falls Staff Member Bookie

    Well... there were two 'Casino Royale's" and niether one of them really qualify as 'Bond Films" (Not even on the 'Never Say Never Again' Level). I think the Most well known Casino Royale was a spoof on Bond Films (More of an Austin Powers predecessor) that was kind of a 'star vehicle' at the time... It had David Niven, Peter Sellers, Woody Allen... Oddly, Ursula Andress... I think Orson Welles was in it too. This was in the late '60's I beleive. I watched maybe 45 minutes of it once.

    The other Casino Royale was a (early?) 50's American Television Movie/Special... I've seen it as a curiosity... I remember it to be about an hour long... THe only notable thing about it was that Felix Leiter is the British Agent, and James "Jimmy" Bond is the CIA Agent... and really The only function Bond Plays in the 'show' (That I can remember) is as a cardsharp (It is Casino Royale, afer all) whose job it is to take down the bad guy playing cards. (I could google this I'm sure.. but I tend to remember cringing... one of my common reactions while watching this... because I think they were playing Blackjack, not Baccarat). Anyway, that's what I can remember about that... I don't remember any of the actors being especially notable.

    That leaves 'Dr No' as the First Bond Film... Casino Royale was the First Book, but the scope of the story is such that if they did do it as a film it would have to be extremely embellished to make a film. Of course... that wasn't a big deal... If you were to read 'You Only Live Twice' you'd find it had much more resemblance to the Island of Dr Moreau than the film.... In Goldfinger... the book... They actually stole the Gold from Ft Knox... Which was the reasoning behind the line at the Ranch in the film that went something like, "Goldfinger, I've been doing some calculations, and it would take 500 men 23 days to load all the gold on 200 trucks..." Or whatever it was... not exactly a smash and grab job... so not only was the Chinese nuclear device much more 'evil' but also made Goldfinger's motivations much more realistic...


    Whew.. now this is going to be hard... And when I say 'hottest' I mean the most all around "attractive"... not only bedcause of the way they looked but the character behind them.

    Here are 5 favorites... I will not attempts to put them in order.

    Pussy Galore- It almost has to begin and end here... although, she was the second bad girl turned good...not only was she one of the Bad Guys... She was a Lesbian and Bond turned her straight... along with the rest of her little hottie lesbian pilots... the whoe package is an intriguing one indeed.

    Kissy Suzuki- In You only live Twice--- Lots of things going on here... She's a Professional 'Agent herself.... looks 16... Can't Act... Yellow Fever... And she holds out for a long time before Bond gets his way... Good Stuff...

    Melina Havelock- For Your eyes only... I'm not Going to explain it.. I just dig chick with Crossbows who have a penchant for skinny dipping.

    And Of Course Honey Rider... Can't Speak Engish... Scared Of Monsters.. hangs out in Bikini's diving for shells on radioactive islands... what luck!

    Also-- Some Just Flat out Hotties:

    -Shirley Eaton as Jill Masterson in Goldfinger (The Chick who gets painted gold)

    -Mary Goodnight in MWTGG

    -"My Name is Jenny Flex"

    "Of course it is"

    - Dr Christmas Jones-- (Referred to by my wife as "Dr. Boobies")

    Also--- Before anyone says, "But you're forgetting _____"

    Oh no... I'm probably really not.
     
  12. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    AKAK: "The other Casino Royale was a (early?) 50's American Television Movie/Special"

    The first Casino Royale you speak of was a skit on CBS' live action TV show 'Climax Mystery Theater' in October of 1954. American actor Barry Nelson played the first Bond on that show. Peter Lorre played Soviet Master Spy Le Chiffre as the first Bond villain.

    It bombed very badly and CBS pulled the plug on a possible weekly Bond series.

    "- Dr Christmas Jones-- (Referred to by my wife as "Dr. Boobies")"

    She's got some great guns!
     
  13. buckeyebri

    buckeyebri It’s A Beautiful Day

    Leading to the quote "and I thought Christmas only came once a year"

    I forgot about Honey, thanks for reminding me. Good memory, bad timing (work)

    Nice job on the Casino Royale stuff. Thanks....
     
  14. AKAK

    AKAK Mayor of Turkey Balls Falls Staff Member Bookie

    Probably the best thing that ever happened to 50's Media...as it left the road open for the Movie Series... and probably kept the Door Open for The Saint to be a show...
     
  15. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    AKAK: "Probably the best thing that ever happened to 50's Media...as it left the road open for the Movie Series... and probably kept the Door Open for The Saint to be a show..."

    Very true. That cancellation had a lot of future Bond repurcussions.

    And to respond to an earlier point that you had made:

    "Casino Royale was the First Book, but the scope of the story is such that if they did do it as a film it would have to be extremely embellished to make a film."

    Casino Royale was never made into an official Bond movie because Fleming (disappointed and desperate for income) sold the rights to Director Gregory Ratoff after the cancellation on CBS. Fleming got a whopping $6,000 for it.

    So, the Bond people could never use C.R. because they no longer had any right to it. It was the same type of circumstance that caused the Thunderball/Never Say Never Again ongoing fiasco, but that story is more complicated.
     

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