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Targeting/Pussification of football

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Sgt Brutus said:
Funny how the player ejected gets cheered on his way out, the people like violence! We want more bloodshed, not less!
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Neither hit was particularly violent. Nobody was injured, and there was not intent to injure in either case. If you read the pedster's board, though, you would think that Williams hit the ped state player from behind with a folding chair, before breaking his leg with a figure four leg lock.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
FIFY.

A serious answer is that it's a valid response to the increase in both the power of the players and the insulating effects of the equipment. You can't do much about the former, but I have wondered whether some response of dialing back the tech on the latter might be necessary to preserve the game. Less likelihood of leading with your helmet if you're not going to get up after the play.




Cheered because in both instances they were playing at home. Had those games been in East Lansing and Rhythmic Slapping Valley, the boos would have been long and loud.
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Actually I've long thought it'd be easier to control the former.
Same concept as boxing and wrestling weight classes... though with todays tech and finances you could easily use water bmi instead of straight weight (to discourage the binging/fasting in those 2 sports) or test more frequently (every week might be enough as-is). Different position groups would have different upper limits. No more 300lb linemen...
You wouldn't need this at the HS level. NFL and all P5 conferences could easily afford it.
 
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I am at the point where I think CFB needs to adjust the rules because they simply cannot get a consistent definition of targeting.

On the same day, this was called targeting:



This was not;
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There are many other examples of how inconsistent the calls are. My feeling is that the refs have shown they can't get it right, replay or no.

My suggestion is modeled on the NFL rules: Take away the automatic ejection, call it a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty and if a guy gets two in the same game then eject him.

Thoughts?
 
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That Stanford-UCLA targeting call was grossly missed, even after review. Yet, 80% of the targeting calls that do get called, then reviewed and stand, typically are horrible calls and not targeting at all. I think these refs need a bit more training on this penalty call, if it continues to be a rule in the college ranks.

And I absolutely agree with doing away with the automatic ejection, and having it fall under the Unsportsmanlike call where two and your gone. I was discussing this exact topic with a friend, and came up with the same conclusion. Perhaps then we will see a bit more consistency.
 
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The biggest problem between the Pro penalty and the college game is on Monday the NCAA can't make a call and say we'll take 50 grand, and next time it will be 75k... Read a story yesterday about some of the biggest offenders in the pro game a few years back have learned to tackle without getting penalized.... (even though they claimed it was impossible). I think the idea of a "big brother" or whatever you want to call it eye in the sky making the final call on the video review from a central location instead of the video reply person at the stadium might give us a more universal coverage.

However I can't help but continue to laugh at the Penn State threads about this where they will go to there graves believing that call was made because the refs are under orders to screw them and make sure the Big 2 in the BigTEN win every week.
 
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Another way you could solve this is to have actual honest to goodness professional referees. By that I do not mean people who are say insurance agents during the week and a B1G ref who gets paid for his efforts on the weekend.

You have a multi million dollar entertainment operation (B1G), spend the fucking money and hire full time ref's. Guys who spend the week watching tapes, going to classes and generally practicing the whole "referee" thing.

Same for the NFL.

It would cost whatever the going rate would be for about 60 guys to be full time employees.
 
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did anyone see the targeting call against LSU during a punt return? LSU was return team and it was called on a guy blocking.

was at the game, and they didn't call it initially. reviewed it after a TV timeout, then called it.

whatever it was, it wasn't glaringly obvious (was a routine looking play from the stands).
never showed a replay in the Stadium.

was just curious if it was legit call or not.
 
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first things first, i don't completely agree with the current targeting rules and i certainly do not like the way they are enforced from incident to incident. however, i certainly understand the need for targeting rules. head trauma is a very serious issue and should be taken as seriously as possible.

but "the man" forcing a kid to sit out a game for targeting will NEVER EVER NEVER work! not ever. think about it logically for a sec. you have some 18 - 22 yr old male who is being told by his coach to go make the play no matter what he has to do and some "guy" in rules world telling him, "but don't bump heads or your naughty". so we think that the most rebellious gender at the most rebellious time in their lives is going to listen to "the man"? really?

you want targeting to stop? the solution is easy. move targeting from a game time foul and make it a team based infraction that is levied against the coaching staff. if say a cb spears some defenseless wr you call the 15 yrd penalty. give em a red card if you want, whatever that means. but every coach over that kid is immediately levied a 1% fine against their full gross salary. thats the position coach, the defensive coach, the head coach and if you want immediate change. fine the athletic director as well.

this gives the kid incentive to not target players for fear they will be benched indefinitely. further, these kids tend to love their coaches. if you do something and it ends up hurting someone you love in a very serious way. thats a sting that will likely stick with you far longer than if you personally were the only one punished. further, it makes coaches very interested in coaching their kids up properly. it also forces coaches to make hard choices based on risk vrs reward.

this is the only way targeting will go away with the current rules.
 
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