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Tennessee county wants to ban gays..

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buckiprof: You are 100% correct that it runs both ways. If some of the radical religious zealots had their way, we'd all be in church every frickin' day and donating every penny we had to them, because we all "exist solely to serve The Lord".

ashlandbuck: You hit it right on the head. Homosexuality is indeed inherently unnatural, yet gay rights groups say we're facists for thinking so.
 
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I rarely agree with everything Mili has to say in a thread, but "preach it brother" I'm with you on this one.

Have you read about the 6 year old girl bringing home a book from her school library about a prince who finds and marries his true love his.... prince!?!? The principal's reaction was something like, "What's unacceptable in one home is perfectly acceptable in another." What kind of crap is that? The parents are fired up and I would be too.
 
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Not to change directions - but I find the 'inherently unnatural' phrase interesting.

I have had this discussion several times and I always ask my male friends the same question, so I will ask it of my fellow posters. Just how do you handle it when you meet a man and find yourself physically attracted to hiim?



Of course, the answer is that you have never met such a man. Therein lies the point.

My Dad never took me aside and said "Son, see the way those hips broaden out and the titties stick out in front? When you see that I want you to get an erection." I didn't need any coaching, it just came naturally.

By the same token how many of us can begin to understand what it is like to have that same reaction when we meet an attractive man? I don't believe for a second that homosexuality is a 'learned' behavior. It simply comes 'natural' to some men. What is the incentive for any man to adopt a lifestyle if this were not the case? There is certainly no upside that I can think of - unless you want to star in a TV sitcom (or am I the only one that thinks 50%of males on sitcoms are portrayed as gay?).

So I would argue that for a certain subset of the population homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality is for the rest of us. To say otherwise makes as much sense as it does to argue that red hair is unnatural.

Granted, if you try to apply the term 'natural' to a larger group you can argue it is not 'natural' to be gay - or left handed, red headed, and so on.

(All that said, I too am uncomfortable with the recent push for gay rights that includes gay marriage. But this post is already long enough without trying to sort all that out.)
 
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Boro - I have not heard about the 6 year old. Do you have a link for that story? Thanks.
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Gay prince story on CNN.COM

It actually doesn't give the girl's age, she may be older than 6, but elementary school none the less...

"The publisher's Web site lists the books as intended for readers age 6 and up."

Tell the truth now... did you really just want the link or did you think there wouldn't be one because this story's so crazy it sounds like some kind of right-wing propaganda?
 
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Boro - After reading the article, I visited the publisher's website. One the one hand, it sounds "honorable" that the website has a review that states the book is a wonderful book to help explain same sex marriages to kids. But on the other hand, I can't believe that it is listed as a 6 and up book!! The reality (IMO) is that my 7 year old doesn't need to read about same sex marriage and try to "understand it" since he is still trying to understand how some of his friends do not have a daddy who lives with them (due to divorce). Big concepts (marriage, love, divorce, etc) that kids struggle with because they do not have the abilities to process the information. Again, thanks for the link since I had not yet had my WTF moment for the day.
 
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buckiprof said:
Boro - Thanks for the link. Truthfully, the story sounds so crazy that I feel the need to read it. I'm going to do that right now. Again, thanks.
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Really just messin' with you a bit, but I translate "show me the link" as "I don't believe you"... not that there's anything wrong with that... I wouldn't have believed this story either if it weren't on CNN.

This story gave me my WTF moment today too.
 
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You say it's insane that some be against gay marriages.
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No no, not anyone, the president. Name me one reason, other than religion, why this should be illegal. I don't agree with the religious aspects, but I understand them, but the president should not let his religion affect what legislation he tries to pass.
 
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Hubs: Ever wonder why you have to get a "license" to get married? What, your spouse is a frickin' pet?! :biggrin:

The point is the government--city, state, or foreign--has a certain control over what people can and cannot do. Thus the term government. The folks at city hall in San Francisco took it upon themselves to violate state law because they personally feel that gays should be allowed to be "lawfully" married. I expect that Bush is trying to pass a Constitution Amendment to outlaw gay marriage before other rogue government officials decide to play "hero to the gays" and perform unlawful ceremonies, and also send a message out that, as the primary executive government official of our country, he is determined to preserve one of the oldest and most cherished institutions of this world.
 
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before i even argue the topic i just wanna say WHO CARES!?!?! We have issues with defense, our freedoms, our environment, education, the budget, and god knows what im missing... this gay marriage thing doesnt even come close in importance.. you want to know why it is such a big deal? because that normally vocal group is being just as vocal as ever and the side of this debate that seemed to be losing support on most of the other issues realize they are in the VAST majority on this issue so it is being played up..

now for the issue, if the christian or islamic or any other church refuses to marry two men then thats fine, but to deny them legal rights is absurd.. please show me any non religious reason why they cant be together.. im not saying it is moral or right or even healthy.. but its their choice, and no one is forcing me to marry a guy so i dont care.. im all science all the way and i still havent figured out exactly what i think is the cause of this, i agree that it isnt a learned behavior although i dunno how much you old guys have seen it but i am disturbed at how many of the younger females are now bi.. but at first i thought it was a mental disorder then it occured to me that perhaps it was an evolutionary reaction to overpopulation.. but i do NOT doubt that they are born with it... there are some kids who even at an early age start showing signs... so i dont know what causes it is basically what im saying i dont believe it is a choice.. thats like saying i choose to like pussy... cmon now ya know i couldnt stop that if even if i was tortured.. so i dont think that they should be restricted or punished because of it even if it is a defect.. understand what im saying? i know most of you wont agree but as long as you understand where im coming from ill be satisfied cuz like i said i dont consider this a major issue
 
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I don't think homosexuality is a "lifestyle choice" - I think it is rooted in bio-chemistry or genetics, but otherwise I agree with Mili's premise. Ultimately, I think there are more important isuues out there, though.
 
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For me, the biggest problem with gay marriages is that it opens up a whole new set of rules for the institution of marriage. Look at what has happened in countries that have already legalized gay marriage. The institution of marriage, which every society has been built on, has crumbled and become a joke.

Also, if gay marriage is legalized what stops polygamy from making a comeback? Marriage is inherently a religous act, so I have a difficult time justifying 200 gay couples waiting in line in a Cedar Point type of environment to do it. It just does not seem like the correct vehicle to go about legalizing marriage. Now a civil union seems like the only fair way to go. If two gay people want to commit to one another I do believe they should have the same financial rights as straight people.

Research also shows that being gay is similar to many other "disorders" as it is part genetic and part environmental.
 
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I don't think homosexuality is a "lifestyle choice"
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I would argue that many females act on homosexuality as if it is a choice. I knew many girls in college that did things. I also know they were not gay and are not today. When I asked them about they just said that it was fun. I also will admit that guys, myself included, found this to be some sort of turn on. :biggrin:
 
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