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Texas Longhorns (big hat, no cattle; please don’t Horns Down us)

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pnuts34 said:
Herman was a hot name on the rise when Tejas hires him and there are countless examples of coaches having little big time experience but were heating it up at a mid major (Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Les Miles, Chip Kelly, the list can go on). I think he’s been in over his head like Helton, James Franklin, Mike Locksley, Lane Kiffin, and even though the jury may still be out: Scott Frost.

Texas for a very long time was the king of TX. Their fan loyalty is almost unparalleled in TX, because the rest are essentially little brothers. Mack a Brown had no problems putting up a fence, and even in his last few terrible seasons signed some great UT recruiting classes and had the class sewn up with the best players in TX almost a year before NSD. I lived in Austin during Browns last 2yrs and he signed the #1(#2 nationally) and #2(#17 nationally) class in the conference With almost all kids from TX. And this was when aTm was still in the B12 and Stoops was still pumping out talent. And still he was landing top talent, but the problem was developing the talent and it seems to be the same issue under Herman. The same kids with UT offers also have them for OU and many SEC schools(and also tOSU), but Herman isn’t developing what he has landed, that’s on him. The fact that he’s let TCU, Baylor and Texas Tech surpass him is purely on him at this point, as he should be able to compete with OU and stay on top
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Urban Meyer had 2 years at Bowling Green and 2 years at Utah.
Nick Saban had 1 year at Toledo and 5 at MSU.
Les Miles had 4 years at OkSt

Chip Kelly was an internal hire, same as Day and Riley. There's a reason these tend to be very successful (they inherit an elite staff, the elite reputation, and implied loyalty/credibility/stability for recruits and asst coach hires).

I've gone over this pattern multiple times before.
Herman, Frost, McElwain are latest examples of the unseasoned Mid Major HC getting Peter Principaled for, more or less, being a Coordinator for 1 side of the ball at a Mid Major with the title of Head Coach.


That era of Texas supremacy is long gone. TCU and Baylor have been better programs in current recruit's lifetimes. Aggy has the SEC draw.
And OU utterly dominates the Conference.

Also, wasn't Mack Brown hated for letting all the top tier QBs out? Some fence that...
Did he keep AP inside ?
There hasn't been a fence around Texas in my lifetime. We've recruited there since I can remember. Just like FL, TX has always been wide open to outside programs.
 
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kujirakira said:
Urban Meyer had 2 years at Bowling Green and 2 years at Utah.
Nick Saban had 1 year at Toledo and 5 at MSU.
Les Miles had 4 years at OkSt

Chip Kelly was an internal hire, same as Day and Riley. There's a reason these tend to be very successful (they inherit an elite staff, the elite reputation, and implied loyalty/credibility/stability for recruits and asst coach hires).

I've gone over this pattern multiple times before.
Herman, Frost, McElwain are latest examples of the unseasoned Mid Major HC getting Peter Principaled for, more or less, being a Coordinator for 1 side of the ball at a Mid Major with the title of Head Coach.


That era of Texas supremacy is long gone. TCU and Baylor have been better programs in current recruit's lifetimes. Aggy has the SEC draw.
And OU utterly dominates the Conference.

Also, wasn't Mack Brown hated for letting all the top tier QBs out? Some fence that...
Did he keep AP inside ?
There hasn't been a fence around Texas in my lifetime. We've recruited there since I can remember. Just like FL, TX has always been wide open to outside programs.
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Ok, so Herman was at Houston as long as Meyer was at both his stops before landing at UF, and I agree that he was basically a glorified assistant. But he was at Houston for 2yrs and an assistant for 7yrs, so he should show some type of success if he were ready for this level.

Texas is now the equivalent of scUM at this point. Agreed on TCU and Baylor surpassing them, but I question whether they can sustain that success. While OU is on a roll that won't be stopping anytime soon in that conference.

And true on Brown with elite QBs outside of VY and McCoy, but he also had a problem with developing QBs(Jerrod Heard, Connor Brewer), which is something that Herman was known to excel at. And though he struck out with AP. He landed Jamal Charles a year later so that made up for that miss. And besides, OU has snatched recruits from TX since the beginning of time. And by fence, I mainly was talking about that Brown would almost yearly sign the best players in TX, and OU would have their picks and then the rest of the talent would be scattered.

But I'm all for Herman staying at UT as it has only helped OSU 's footprint in TX. Their inability to have any type of sustained success has aided OSU in coming in and snatching top recruits. Keep it up Thomas!
 
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ScriptOhio said:
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Their evidence of racist undertones seems to be when it was written

scott Joplin wrote a lot of great music about that time, was that racist too?

The point is, it’s an inane song that is clearly directed at the opponent. It’s the cowboy version of the gator chomp... a childish game where they pretend that the opponent should fear them.

it is stupid
It is to be laughed at
Calling it evil is ridiculous
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Love it. And what a great negative recruiting tool. "Young man, you do know that if you go to Texas, you're required to sing a song about hunting down escaped slaves." And all this time, I thought it was just a really lousy fight song ripped off the working on the railroad song.
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as long as they don’t figure out that the song was written roughly 4 decades too late to be about escaped slaves, it’ll work like a charm
 
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pnuts34 said:


I like his take on UT. I think Tejas Tom is in over his head, and UT isn't what it once was to recruits. At this point he's light years away from Riley/OU
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Today's Juniors and Seniors were five to seven years old the last time Texas was relevant nationally. They were in diapers when Vince Young played there. Texas is nothing but a chronic underachiever to them.
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
as long as they don’t figure out that the song was written roughly 4 decades too late to be about escaped slaves, it’ll work like a charm
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Certain lyrics are said to reference that history. You do know that the Texas Rangers were founded as essentially a 19th century version of the SS mobile death squads that the Germans employed in Eastern Europe. They're primary mission was to hunt escaped slaves and massacre native and Mexican villages in Western Texas. It's some of our nation's most reprehensible history.
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:


office list of demands
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Off the the Shag! Or whatever the hell it's called these days...

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