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ashlandbuck
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Nice link AKAK. It's good to see them getting some National attention.
Their ability to hit the ball has to be another feather in the cap for Eddie Murray. Some one is going to hire this guy for their manager soon.
Some of moves by the Tribe front office include:
Bartolo Colon traded for Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore and Brandon Phillips.
Chuck Finley traded for Coco Crisp.
Ryan Dreese traded for Travis Hafner.
Robby Alomar traded for Matt Lawton.
David Justice traded for Jake Westbrook.
Signed Victor Martinez as an undrafted free agent.
Ronnie Belliard was signed as a free agent.
Sabathia, Blake and John Mcdonald were drafted.
Now just 2 games back with the 8-2 win over the Twins tonight!
Their ability to hit the ball has to be another feather in the cap for Eddie Murray. Some one is going to hire this guy for their manager soon.
Some of moves by the Tribe front office include:
Bartolo Colon traded for Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore and Brandon Phillips.
Chuck Finley traded for Coco Crisp.
Ryan Dreese traded for Travis Hafner.
Robby Alomar traded for Matt Lawton.
David Justice traded for Jake Westbrook.
Signed Victor Martinez as an undrafted free agent.
Ronnie Belliard was signed as a free agent.
Sabathia, Blake and John Mcdonald were drafted.
Now just 2 games back with the 8-2 win over the Twins tonight!
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Don't jinx it. 
Seriously, though, I've only been following the Tribe for about four years now - they've got a lot of character. Pronk and Coco are on my fantasy baseball team, but they're fun as hell to watch regardless.
Seriously, though, I've only been following the Tribe for about four years now - they've got a lot of character. Pronk and Coco are on my fantasy baseball team, but they're fun as hell to watch regardless.
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The Tribe avoided the chance of being swept as they blasted Minnesota tonight. The can do no worse than finish four games behind the Twins (they are two back now after the win). Of course, if they complete the sweep themselves, they'll be tied for the division lead come Monday.
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Buck94
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Sorry if you took my attempt at clarification as a jab as that was not my intention. :!BuckNutty said:
I agree wholeheartedly that the attendance is pathetic given the team's success. That's why I put my money where my mouth is and purchased tickets for the series with Minnesota.
BTW, thank you for your "sincere" apology...apology accepted.
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ashlandbuck
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Just as Mili said in an ealier thread, I remember when the stadium had an average of 5,000 in attendence. I remember several times there being 1,000 people in the seats. I don't think 20,000 is that bad.
Hell, Pittsburgh couldn't sell out Three Rivers when they were in the playoffs.
If an organization can average 20,000 a game for the entire season, the total lends up at 1.6 million. That's really nothing to be ashamed of.
Hell, Pittsburgh couldn't sell out Three Rivers when they were in the playoffs.
If an organization can average 20,000 a game for the entire season, the total lends up at 1.6 million. That's really nothing to be ashamed of.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
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Mark Shapiro and Eric Wedge
These two guys deserve alot of credit for the quick turn around (2.5 years)....it sometimes takes teams 4-5 years after they rebuild to contend...(ie The pirates are in the 9th year of a 4 year rebuilding plan )
They stuck with a philosphy of building from within and it has worked for them, it helps that they have one of the top farm systems in baseball. They were smart with trades and now these guys are really fun to watch and they play hard and are learning how to win, I think they are 1st or 2nd in 1-run game wins?
Thats a sign of a good team. I have to be honest I am a big tribe fan it was very difficult to see them trade and let go some of the big names of the last few years and yes I was bitter when Thome left, but life goes on and they have turned it around, whatever happens the rest of the year, they are definetly on the rise.
Go Tribe!
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These two guys deserve alot of credit for the quick turn around (2.5 years)....it sometimes takes teams 4-5 years after they rebuild to contend...(ie The pirates are in the 9th year of a 4 year rebuilding plan )
They stuck with a philosphy of building from within and it has worked for them, it helps that they have one of the top farm systems in baseball. They were smart with trades and now these guys are really fun to watch and they play hard and are learning how to win, I think they are 1st or 2nd in 1-run game wins?
Thats a sign of a good team. I have to be honest I am a big tribe fan it was very difficult to see them trade and let go some of the big names of the last few years and yes I was bitter when Thome left, but life goes on and they have turned it around, whatever happens the rest of the year, they are definetly on the rise.
Go Tribe!
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Another thing I really like about the Indians is their local FSN coverage. Hegan, Manning and Sanders do a fantastic job, and are actually funny sometimes. I'm watching a ChiSox game on WGN - these assholes sound like a couple of regular fans. It's more or less the same with Reds games. Can't wait to get back to watching Tribe games in Cbus instead of on ESPN.com's Game Update.
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Tribe wins, 7-1, and are now one game back of the Twins.
Anybody care to trade Travis Hafner for Jim Thome?
Anybody care to trade Travis Hafner for Jim Thome?
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ashlandbuck
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Hafner can just plain hit. The night before last he went down and got a pitch that was down and away and slapped it between short and third for a single.
Tonight in the first he takes a pitch off his shoe tops and lifts it out of the park.
He's in the top four of about four different offensive catagories. He's hitting about 40 points higher than Thome. You can have Thome's 48 homeruns.
A homerun is the most overated stat in baseball. If any of you get a chance sometime, read the book, "Men at work" by George Will. He takes one chapter and shows stats that clearly tells why the homerun is not as meaningful as people would like to think.
One example I remember is the early 80's world series between the Cardinals and the Brewers. The Brewers lead all of baseball in homeruns and the Cardinals were last in all of baseball in homeruns. The Cardinals won the series by playing their typical small ball along with good pitching.
It was truly amazing to see in the book, the finishes of teams that lead the major leagues in homeruns year after year. These teams were mostly in the bottom half of league in the final standings.
It's still about good pitching, good defense and timely hitting.(bunching your hits together) Everything the Tribe is doing right now.
1 Game out......Man, this is getting to be a lot of fun!
Do any of you realize that the last four games of the season for the Tribe is against the Twins?
Tonight in the first he takes a pitch off his shoe tops and lifts it out of the park.
He's in the top four of about four different offensive catagories. He's hitting about 40 points higher than Thome. You can have Thome's 48 homeruns.
A homerun is the most overated stat in baseball. If any of you get a chance sometime, read the book, "Men at work" by George Will. He takes one chapter and shows stats that clearly tells why the homerun is not as meaningful as people would like to think.
One example I remember is the early 80's world series between the Cardinals and the Brewers. The Brewers lead all of baseball in homeruns and the Cardinals were last in all of baseball in homeruns. The Cardinals won the series by playing their typical small ball along with good pitching.
It was truly amazing to see in the book, the finishes of teams that lead the major leagues in homeruns year after year. These teams were mostly in the bottom half of league in the final standings.
It's still about good pitching, good defense and timely hitting.(bunching your hits together) Everything the Tribe is doing right now.
1 Game out......Man, this is getting to be a lot of fun!
Do any of you realize that the last four games of the season for the Tribe is against the Twins?
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So...if the Indians win the pennant, and Pronk finishes out the season at his current clip (final stats of rougly 30, 120, .320) is he the MVP? Ortiz, Manny and Vlad can each make a case, but just presuming (for the sake of argument) that the Angels lose the wild card race and the Indians win the central... I don't know. Is this just crazy talk? He's got 20 more RBIs than A-Rod and is batting twenty-five points higher, for crying out loud. Like Ash said - 4th in doubles, 4th in RBI, 5th in average, 2nd in OBP, 3rd in slugging, 3rd in OPS. How can you argue?
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7-1 Tribe, Lets Go For The Sweep!
Well, thats six in a row and they are just playing solid, I look at the Twins and I know they just want to get out of town, hopefully we get the sweep this afternoon, by the way want a shame about jacque jones homer they said didn't clear the wall!
Go Tribe!
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August 14, 2004
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>In my two years with the Cleveland Indians, 1996 and 1997, our team was stocked primarily with homegrown talent. With GM John Hart at the helm, the organization made strong long-term commitments to a group of young players in the hopes of keeping a team together to win it all. For about five years, Cleveland fielded arguably the most talented team in the game.
At the same time, talent was traded away in an attempt to get that one key player to lead the tribe to victory. Brian Giles, Jeromy Burnitz, Richie Sexson, Sean Casey, Danny Graves – the sheer talent of the players traded away shocked me. All left in a three-year period.
Sadly for the Tribe, two World Series appearances (1995 and 1997) produced no championships, and with the departure of Jim Thome and Manny Ramirez that era was over.
Mark Shapiro replaced Hart as the Indians GM in November, 2001. At the time, Shapiro was faced with rebuilding not only a major league power, but a minor league system as well. Shapiro was Hart's understudy, and he believed that winning teams required a core of homegrown players (even the Yankees).
Now, somewhat surprisingly, Cleveland is in the thick of the AL wild card race – and may just take the AL Central crown ouright.
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The Indians have rebuilt by developing talent and giving their own kids a shot to develop – a proven method. Most of the Indians' top offensive performers fit this bill: Casey Blake, Jody Gerut, Victor Martinez, Travis Hafner and Ben Broussard for starters.
The starting rotation is filled with "Tribe Pride." Jake Westbrook, C.C. Sabathia, Cliff Lee, and Jason Davis account for 85 starts as of this writing. This is what scouting, development and evaluation are all about.
Sure Blake, Hafner and Westbrook weren't Cleveland originals, but the tribe saw enough in them to offer their first crack at regular big league roles and have been rewarded for doing so.
Funny thing is, the organization that Cleveland most closely resembles is the team they're tracking in the AL Central: The Minnesota Twins. Minnesota has shown a knack for developing talent from within while fielding a championship-caliber squad year after year.
Isn't it ironic that the Indians must pass through Minnesota for the Central crown? This may or may not be the year the Indians get back to the postseason, but the core to win is there. And there is no doubt more where that came from.
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Well, thats six in a row and they are just playing solid, I look at the Twins and I know they just want to get out of town, hopefully we get the sweep this afternoon, by the way want a shame about jacque jones homer they said didn't clear the wall!
Go Tribe!
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