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The Ark, Logistics

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Not to be a stickler, but we already have an evolution thread. I'd like this one to be about the specifics of the Ark story and the support, or lack thereof, of a literal view of the Bible's description of it as it relates to scientific principles.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;894155; said:
Not to be a stickler, but we already have an evolution thread. I'd like this one to be about the specifics of the Ark story and the support, or lack thereof, of a literal view of the Bible's description of it as it relates to scientific principles.
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Well.. you're being a stickler.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;894155; said:
Not to be a stickler, but we already have an evolution thread. I'd like this one to be about the specifics of the Ark story and the support, or lack thereof, of a literal view of the Bible's description of it as it relates to scientific principles.
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Agreed, so I'll respond to BuckeyeScott's post here in one of the evolution threads: http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/political-conversation-debate/28189-acceptance-evolution-us-next-last-18.html#post648745
 
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Brewtus;894129; said:
And just to clarify even further, genetically speaking there isn't a huge difference between microevolution and macroevolution. There is no mechanism that stops microevolution at a certain point and keeps it from becoming macroevolution. And if you're implying that new information cannot be added to a genome then I'd be happy to provide you with a long list of papers that document an increase in genetic variation as a result of Mutation, Recombination and Gene Flow.
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yes there is, and modern genetics has proven it. you can go do any number of studies regarding, say, the breeding of cows, and there ALWAYS a point to which the breed can no longer be modified. the Clydesdale horse is a prime example. it's progeny aren't Clydesdales. they either a Belgian Draft horse, or whatever the other parent is (i forget.)

a horse is a horse is a horse. a horse will never NOT be a horse. a horse will never have babies that are not horses.

Siamese cats. same thing. babies are either Siamese or all black. no other choices.

you don't understand how speciation works. when a new species is formed, the result is more focused, and has less inherent diversity. the flow is in the opposite direction.
there are a million dog breeds. which breed isn't a dog anymore? for that matter, which one is closest to not being a dog any more. go ahead. you're so smart. tell us.
 
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lvbuckeye;894388; said:
yes there is, and modern genetics has proven it. you can go do any number of studies regarding, say, the breeding of cows, and there ALWAYS a point to which the breed can no longer be modified. the Clydesdale horse is a prime example. it's progeny aren't Clydesdales. they either a Belgian Draft horse, or whatever the other parent is (i forget.)

a horse is a horse is a horse. a horse will never NOT be a horse. a horse will never have babies that are not horses.

Siamese cats. same thing. babies are either Siamese or all black. no other choices.

you don't understand how speciation works. when a new species is formed, the result is more focused, and has less inherent diversity. the flow is in the opposite direction.
there are a million dog breeds. which breed isn't a dog anymore? for that matter, which one is closest to not being a dog any more. go ahead. you're so smart. tell us.
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And if you think that the results of selective breeding in horses, cats and dogs in any way discredits evolution, then you have little understanding of the basics of biology and evolution. We can take this up further in the Evolution thread if you'd like.
 
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Brewtus;894949; said:
And if you think that the results of selective breeding in horses, cats and dogs in any way discredits evolution, then you have little understanding of the basics of biology and evolution. We can take this up further in the Evolution thread if you'd like.
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when the cats and dogs and horses have babies that aren't cats and dogs and horses you'll have my attention. you assume that it happens because by your theory it must have happened. the rules that govern genetics and heredity clearly state that it doesn't.

variation and speciation does NOT occur across family lines. it stays within them.
 
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I have found the discussion on this thread very interesting from all sides. In an attempt to get in back on the ark track, but still leaving up to you major players to discuss, perhaps temperature could be addressed? Some animals require much hotter environs than others, and some require rather specific temperatures due to their cold-blooded nature. Would a polar bear and an anaconda, for instance, require vastly different temperatures in order to survive? Was the ark air conditioned?
 
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MaxBuck;895687; said:
Have you never heard of a mule?
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