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the Heisman Criteria Should be Changed

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by Sloopy45, Dec 14, 2004.

  1. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    I think (since every other sports league changes to match the time), that the criteria and unwritten boundaries of the most esteemed trophy in all of sports should change and come up to speed with the 00's.

    Heisman Trophy voting can't be bound by the "only upperclassmen" rule anymore. The would-be best players in CFB bolt for the NFL nowadays, leaving a void of underwhelming candidates for the Heisman each and every year.

    Granted, there have always been scrubs who tripped and fell over the Heisman. But now there are more and more than ever. Look at the people who won the award in the 80's: Marcus Allen. Herschel Walker. Mike Rozier. Doug Flutie. Bo Jackson. Vinny Testaverde. Tim Brown. Barry Sanders. It reads like a "Who's-Who" of the greatest players that ever stepped on a College Football field.

    Now look at some of the names who've won it since then: Andre Ware. Gino Toretta. Danny Wuerffel. Chris Weinke. Eric Crouch. Jason White. Its mostly a list of good players with great seasons who beat out a vanilla field of candidates. The award doesn't have the same "oomph" that it used to have.

    I think they've got to encourage voters to vote for underclassmen. Also, I think they have to broaden their horizons: more dynamic players, like Charles Woodson playing Defense or Orlando Pace at LT, should get the push.

    CFB has changed: its more of a passing game now, dominated by great WRs, but only 3 WRs have ever won the Award. The trend toward the big & fast wide-out is only going to become more prevalent in the sport. Yet, none of these guys ever get considered as serious candidates. Also, the old "Ya gotta play for Notre Dame or ya gotta beat Notre Dame," Heisman motto means nothing today. Notre Dame isn't a measuring stick for the great players in CFB anymore. And don't kid yourself, this still holds true: five of the last ten Heisman winners BEAT Notre Dame that season!!

    Here's the Sloopy Revisionist Heisman, and see if I can't make the list better:

    1990: Rocket Ismail instead of Ty Detmer: Rocket is one of the best CFB players of all-time, but he's got no hardware. He mostly lost that award because of the position he plays.

    1992: Marshall Faulk instead of Gino Toretta: Faulk, another one of the greatest players of all time, barely lost to Toretta. If you're looking for a reason: Marshall was a Sophomore at the time.

    1996: Orlando Pace over Wuerffel: tell me this Award wouldn't look better with the greatest Tackle in CFB history's name attached to it than some also-ran Run & Shoot QB.

    1999: Michael Vick over Ron Dayne: Dayne won the "Career Award," but Vick deserved it this season. He's the greatest Freshman QB in history.

    If this was the Sloopy Heisman, the winners in the 90's would look a lot better (I think) than the current "best Senior QB or RB on a great team" Heisman: Rocket Ismail, Desmond Howard, Marshall Faulk, Charlie Ward, Eddie George, Ricky Williams, Orlando Pace, & Michael Vick. Thats a helluva list.
  2. WoodyWorshiper

    WoodyWorshiper THINK, Before You Speak Former College Pick'Em Champ

    As always, nice work Sloops. One thing though, scratch Flutie and insert Byars and that 80's list gets alot better looking, at least from where I'm sitting.
  3. TheHope18

    TheHope18 Future #1 Pick

    indeed..and I would say that McGahee should of had the trophy over Carson Palmer and Fitzgerald should of won it last year
  4. Sdgobucks

    Sdgobucks Pig on a wing

    I agree, I like your changes. The heisman is for the best college football player right? The records of the respective teams should have very little weight in the decision of the voters.
  5. JXC

    JXC 17-3 since 2001

    Heisman is for the most OUTSTANDING college football player. Whatever that means. Who stood out more this year than Adrian Peterson?
  6. TheHope18

    TheHope18 Future #1 Pick

    Reggie Bush
  7. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    I agree.

    White, Leinhart, Peterson would not have been in NYC without strong play by their RB's and WR's, who are almost all headed to teh NFL.

    Bush sometimes benefited from Leinhart neutralizing the defense, but most of the time he earned national recognition for making something out of nothing. He could take a 5 yard pass for 70 yards, or a punt without good blocking back for a TD.

    Had Benson showed up against OU, I think he should have won the award. Tho I hate giving it to someone with an attitude like that.
  8. BrutusBobcat

    BrutusBobcat Icon and Entertainer

    One thing that has changed is that schools run big-time Heisman campaigns. Just like elections, there is too much coverage of the horse race, which leads to arbitrary criteria -- things like who had the best final game, or best season highlight or whatever. Stats comparison becomes a big deal also. There is very little historical comparsion, which I think is wrong. If player x is the best safety ever to play CFB, then that merits a safety winning the Heisman over a "pretty good" QB from a national title contender. I have a hard time thinking of either Palmer or Leinart (or White) as being among the greatest college QBs ever, never mind a guy like Ware or Weinke. I mean, come on.

    One question voters should ask is, if you were a coach, who is the one guy you'd want to have on your team? For my $1.00, that guy would be Reggie Bush this year. It would have been Larry Fitzgerald before that, and probably I'd go with McGahee before that.
  9. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    Dubs: "One thing though, scratch Flutie and insert Byars and that 80's list gets alot better looking, at least from where I'm sitting."

    No doubt. Another Heisman pet peeve of mine (that I forgot to mention) is when a guy wins because he has the signature "Heisman play of the season," and Floots is the epitomy of that. Take the Hail Mary away and Flutie doesn't sniff that award. Eric Crouch (with the toss back against Oklahoma) and Desmond Howard (with the TDs against ND and us) are big time examples of this too.

    TheHope18: "I would say that McGahee should of had the trophy over Carson Palmer"

    I would've voted Palmer over McGahee in '02. I really don't have much of a beef with that one. Plus, I think Palmer's going to be a great pro, so I can't argue with it too much.

    JonathanXC: "Who stood out more this year than Adrian Peterson?"

    I think Peterson is a tad overhyped. I think he's a great back, but I think its too early to call him a strong Heisman winner, or even the best back in the country at this point. He gets all this pub solely because he's a freshman. To me, his season this year is no different than Clarett's freshman season, minus the shoulder stinger and knee scope.

    And IMO, Reggie Bush is the best player in the country. He's a Marshall Faulk clone.
  10. tibor75

    tibor75 Banned

    I disagree with Pace. He should have finished 2nd to Jake Plummer. Plummer was amazing in that game versus USC that year. He carried his team on his back and willed them to an undefeated season...well, undefeated regular season that is. :tongue2:

    It's hard to compare Pace to a skilled position player. But anybody who voted for Wuerffel over Plummer was a fucking moron.
  11. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    T-Bone: "But anybody who voted for Wuerffel over Plummer was a fucking moron."

    And Ditto was his Name-O. Either Plummer or Pace should've won.

    Plummer did earn the 'Greatest Brent Call' that season (of all time, IMO) : "Plummer ... Breaks Free, Cuts Loose, Dives .. TOUCHDOWN, SUNDEVILS! THE SNAKE ... DOES IT AGAIN! THIS TEAM ... WON'T DIE!! YOU CAN CUT A SNAKE'S HEAD OFF, BUT HE CONTINUES TO LIVE!!"

    Granted, had we lost that game, I'd probably classify it as the worst call of all time (and perhaps the worst Cooper choke), but Germaine and Boston came through, and it goes among the pantheon of Brent calls.

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