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The Many Troubles of Marcus Vick (merged)

VY will make it in the NFL if he can learn to beat people with his arm and use his legs to get away from pressure and scramble every once and a while. If he comes in and tries to run for 3 TD's per game his career is going to go much like Vick's. Personally I think VY has to tools to be an NFL QB with some work with an NFL QB coach.

I agree. I think that the mobility of QB's should complement the passing threat, not the other way around. When a QB drops back, the DB's should think, "I need to cover my man (or zone) so that if he throws this way, it won't be completed." Not, "He might run it - I should watch out for that, because he's not a good enough passer to hit his receiver if I make him pass it."

I believe that the best balance a QB should have is like Steve Young and John Elway. Both excellent passers who had the agility to get out of the pocket, make more time for themselves to find an open receiver, or possibly gain 3-7 yards scrambling.

But, to get back on topic, someone asked if WE would draft Vick. I would not. Of course, I'm not under the pressure to win football games, so I can easily say that off-field issues have a greater impact on me than if I did have that pressure. I also don't think he's a very good QB, and wouldn't mean the difference between a win and a loss. (Again, I only saw him for 2 different games.) If I needed a backup QB, I'd save my pick for someone else in the draft.
 
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I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole protected by a condom. The way this idiot is going, he's liable to stab somebody on the field at some point.

I agree...remember the scene from The Last Boyscout, I think it was, when the dude runs downfield and whips out a gun and starts shooting the defense? I could see something like that happening...well, maybe not, but it certainly crosses your mind with this kind of trainwreck of a person.
 
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I agree...remember the scene from The Last Boyscout, I think it was, when the dude runs downfield and whips out a gun and starts shooting the defense? I could see something like that happening...well, maybe not, but it certainly crosses your mind with this kind of trainwreck of a person.

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YOU ROCK! Especially that part where the guy falls off the building.

PS - Do you know Mad Max?
 
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VY will make it in the NFL if he can learn to beat people with his arm and use his legs to get away from pressure and scramble every once and a while. If he comes in and tries to run for 3 TD's per game his career is going to go much like Vick's. Personally I think VY has to tools to be an NFL QB with some work with an NFL QB coach.

Yes, I agree. I think there is a fine line between a running QB (michael vick), and then a mobile QB (donovan mcnabb). A mobile quarterback is someone who can pass well, along the lines of a good pocket QB, but can also scamble to buy time and avoid the rush, and also throw on the run. Donovan McNabb has perfected that, being able to run around and still throw downfield. Vick tends to just run and go for it himself. I think Vince Young could develop into what kind of prototype McNabb has helped develop, which means he could be a good pocket passing QB, but also have the tools to use his legs in some situations.


With that said, Marcus Vick is an ass.
 
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exhawg said:
VY will make it in the NFL if he can learn to beat people with his arm and use his legs to get away from pressure and scramble every once and a while. If he comes in and tries to run for 3 TD's per game his career is going to go much like Vick's. Personally I think VY has to tools to be an NFL QB with some work with an NFL QB coach.
he beat ohio state with his arm... theOSU isnt the new england patriots but he proved my doubts to be an nfl quarterback in that game. how good will he be who knows, so many variables involved outside the individual qb to really project it.
 
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he beat ohio state with his arm... theOSU isnt the new england patriots but he proved my doubts to be an nfl quarterback in that game. how good will he be who knows, so many variables involved outside the individual qb to really project it.
Considering that our entire back 7 will be in the league with him next year, as well as two of our D-linemen from that game, he's proven he can play with other potential professionals. When he stood in the pocket and beat us in September, he proved a lot of doubters wrong. VY will be a very good NFL QB. I just hope he gets with a coaching staff that uses him correctly.
 
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Common lives, plenty of questions for Vick, Clarett

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<!-- begin text11 div --><!-- begin leftcol --> <!-- template inline --> The convenient reaction is to call Marcus Vick and Maurice Clarett thugs. Or punks. Or ungrateful, numb-from-the-neck-up crazies who co-authored the book, "How To Screw Up Your Life Before Your 23rd Birthday."
They had everything. They have nothing. Cautionary tales, right?
Call it coincidence, fate, sad destiny … whatever … but Vick and Clarett have more in common than recent photo sessions with police mug shot cameras. They share a childhood, a confusion, a confluence of circumstances that should give you pause before dismissing them as knuckleheads who deserve whatever bed they've short-sheeted.
In 2002, both were college freshmen in their home states: Vick at Virginia Tech, where he was expected to continue the legacy established by his famous brother, Michael; Clarett at Ohio State, where the Buckeyes soon would name him the first true OSU freshman to start at running back since 1943. No pressure there.
Vick grew up in a part of Newport News, Va., that was harder than the back of your father's hand. Visitors drove through quickly and with their car doors locked. That explains why Michael later used some of his Nike and Atlanta Falcons money to buy his mother a brand-new house in upscale Suffolk.
Clarett lived with his two brothers and 11 cousins at his grandmother's house in a Youngstown, Ohio, "neighborhood" -- if you can call a ghetto a neighborhood -- where the sound of gunshots was commonplace. He ate pork and beans for dinner, a couple of folded slices of bologna (no bread) for lunch. By the time he enrolled at Ohio State, Clarett had attended the funerals of 10 friends, seen two people shot and killed in front of his grandma's house, and served three stints in a juvenile detention center.
I still have the blue notebook and the cassette tape from the hour-plus interview I did with Clarett at the Buckeyes' football offices in 2002. Listening to that tape earlier today, I was struck by his easy laugh, his emotion, his anger, his weariness and his perspective.
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Clarett lived with his two brothers and 11 cousins at his grandmother's house in a Youngstown, Ohio, "neighborhood" -- if you can call a ghetto a neighborhood -- where the sound of gunshots was commonplace.
[/FONT]</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> "I betcha there's a lot of football players in the nation with a whole lot of stories like mine," he said that day.
And later: "You don't know what I've been through, so you can't judge me. Until I know what you've been through, until I know the reason for doing what you're doing, you can't judge me."
Clarett screwed up the syntax, but you get the point. He wasn't like you and me. He was, in his own words -- at least, when it came to playing football -- "an 18-year-old son of a bitch."
But he was smart. Street smart. Football smart. Maybe too smart for his own good. As we walked through the nearly deserted Ohio State locker room, Clarett casually pointed to another player.
"He is the next Michael Vick," Clarett said.
"What's his name?" I said.
"Troy Smith," Clarett said.
Actually, Marcus Vick was supposed to be the right-handed version of the next Michael Vick, but we know how that turned out. Or do we?
I interviewed Marcus Vick once, for an ESPN TV feature. He was a lot like Michael, in the sense that he'd rather have his nose hairs plucked with pliers than do interviews. He was soft-spoken, measured in his responses, respectful.
But think about the immense pressures on his shoulder pads. It would have been like Eli Manning following his brother Peyton to Tennessee. As it was, we concluded the TV piece with Marcus walking down Michael Vick Hallway at the Va. Tech football facility.
Michael Vick's jersey is retired at Virginia Tech. You can't miss it at Lane Stadium, the same stadium where Marcus would make a play, then hear the public-address announcer accidentally call him "Michael" over the loudspeaker. Habit. It happened occasionally on the road, too.
Marcus wore No. 5. Clarett wore No. 5 during his sophomore year of high school before switching to No. 13. In 2002, you could go to a souvenir store across the street from the Ohio State campus and buy a Clarett Buckeyes replica jersey for $39.95.
Clarett made the game-winning TD run and the game-saving tackle in the national championship game against Miami. But he also said he might consider challenging the NFL's early eligibility rule. The hate mail arrived shortly thereafter.
He was suspended by Ohio State for the 2003 season because he accepted extra benefits. Clarett promptly sued the NFL over its eligibility rule but eventually lost the case in a May 2004 ruling. He accused Ohio State of multiple NCAA violations (none was proved).
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Marcus also considered Miami and Tennessee, as well as Virginia. What would have happened had he chosen to step outside Michael's considerable shadow? What would have happened had Michael, trying to be the good brother, not spoiled Marcus by giving him a Cadillac Escalade for his freshman season?
[/FONT]</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> Last April, he was a surprise third-round draft pick by the Denver Broncos. He was cut in late August.
And on Jan. 1, he was charged with two counts of aggravated robbery. Some résumé.
Until recently, Marcus Vick's replica Hokies jersey sold for $58.99 at the Campus Emporium in Blacksburg. But that was before he was ticketed for driving with a suspended license last month (he failed to tell his coaches that he was also ticketed for speeding), stomped on the leg of Louisville's Elvis Dumervil during the Gator Bowl, got dropkicked off the team as a junior, then was charged with three misdemeanor counts of brandishing a firearm.
Now, that same jersey sells for $29.99. Plenty in stock.
Vick was suspended for the 2004 season (for possession of marijuana and a conviction for contributing to the delinquency of a minor by allowing underaged girls to have alcohol; he was found innocent of having sex with a 15 year old). And this season at West Virginia, he was disciplined for a middle-finger salute at Mountaineers fans. Never mind that some of the fans called him a rapist, a pedophile, a child molester. Or that the Hokies' team bus drove by a building that featured a sign hanging from one of the windows: "Hide Your Children. Marcus Is In Town."
And for what it's worth, Vick and Tech coach Frank Beamer did wait outside the Louisville locker room in hopes of apologizing personally to Dumervil and Cardinals coach Bobby Petrino. They were told by a U of L official that Dumervil and Petrino weren't interested in discussing the incident.
I'm not making excuses for Clarett or Vick. You do the crime, you serve the time. You make decisions, you live with the consequences.
But I'll forever wonder what would have happened had Clarett won his battle against the NFL or stayed put at Ohio State. I wonder what would have happened had he not been afraid of flying and signed with his out-of-state favorite, Texas, or one of his other finalists: Notre Dame, Miami, Tennessee. He would have been a senior this year.
Marcus also considered Miami and Tennessee, as well as Virginia. What would have happened had he chosen to step outside Michael's considerable shadow? What would have happened had Michael, trying to be a good brother, not spoiled Marcus by giving him a Cadillac Escalade for his freshman season?
I hope Vick and Clarett figure it out, especially Clarett, who doesn't have a financial security net like Marcus does with Michael. I hope, once their legal issues are resolved, they get another chance to play football.
But whatever happens, I'm not going to judge. That's for someone else to do.
Gene Wojciechowski is the senior national columnist for ESPN.com. You can contact him at [email protected].
 
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Overall thats one of the few articles from that author that doesn't make me want to find him and do bodily harm. He even went out of his way to point out the alleged NCAA viloations stemming from MoC have never been proven.

I don't think his wondering what would have been if MoC went to Texas or whatever school was meant to be a slap at OSU but I could be wrong.
 
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"You don't know what I've been through, so you can't judge me. Until I know what you've been through, until I know the reason for doing what you're doing, you can't judge me."

who you are as a person is not a result of the situations you face. who you are is determined by the decisions you make when facing those situations. the world that surrounds you does not dictate who you are. YOU DO!
 
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No, but I'm a fan of pro style QB's (Manning, Palmer, Rothleswhatever, Leftwitch). Athletic QB's are too hit and miss especially in the NFL. I like a QB who can win a game even if they can't run. If you can stop a Vick from running you will win the game.
If Marcus Vick did not have a brother named Michael, he would not receive this much credit. He had a litlte early success while playing terrible defenses. Then against good defenses, he was shut down.

He is NOT michael vick AT ALL. He is not that fast and not as elusive. He is a poor man's Troy Smith, and a lot more raw. Michael Vick can be a lot to handle, even in the NFL, b/c he is extremely fast. Marcus' good but not great mobility will not separate him from the pack like it does for Michael. Therefore being a better passer than michael does not turn him into a good QB.
 
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