• Follow us on Twitter @buckeyeplanet and @bp_recruiting, like us on Facebook! Enjoy a post or article, recommend it to others! BP is only as strong as its community, and we only promote by word of mouth, so share away!
  • Consider registering! Fewer and higher quality ads, no emails you don't want, access to all the forums, download game torrents, private messages, polls, Sportsbook, etc. Even if you just want to lurk, there are a lot of good reasons to register!

The Ohio State Coaching Staff (Official Thread)

Jump to latest Follow Reply
Sort by date Sort by votes
shetuck;1261119; said:
I just think that if the coaches make the strategic choice to hide large portions of the playbook from weaker opposing teams, we run the risk of not being able to execute those plays when the time comes and it really matters.
Click to expand...

A good point, but I don't know that it's all that applicable. It seems like USC players were quoted as saying they didn't really see anything that wasn't already on film.

The problem I saw with the coaching on Saturday night was that we didn't seem to have a plan 'b'. The Buckeyes ran predictible plays in hopes that we'd just beat them with what we do best. Things didn't go our way early, and we didn't seem to have any adjustment whatsoever.

Over the past few years, it's been a joy watching our team run at and over the opposition - they knew what was coming and they couldn't stop it. This works fine with inferior competition, but as has been painfully demonstrated, it does not work againt the elite teams in CFB. They know what's coming, and can stop it. We don't need more of the same, but we need some truly different looks and innovative play calling. Especially when we're getting beat on the trenches.

With that said, :gobucks3::gobucks4:
 
Upvote 0
FCollinsBuckeye;1261139; said:
A good point, but I don't know that it's all that applicable. It seems like USC players were quoted as saying they didn't really see anything that wasn't already on film...
Click to expand...

Maybe I need to go back and look again, but I thought what Sanchez said (if he's the player you're talking about) was that they didn't see anything different in the game than what they'd practiced for. So what that means (to me) is that the coaches at SC did a good job anticipating / scouting what our guys were going to do - as opposed to preparing ONLY for what they'd seen on film.
 
Upvote 0
shetuck;1261165; said:
Maybe I need to go back and look again, but I thought what Sanchez said (if he's the player you're talking about) was that they didn't see anything different in the game than what they'd practiced for. So what that means (to me) is that the coaches at SC did a good job anticipating / scouting what our guys were going to do - as opposed to preparing ONLY for what they'd seen on film.
Click to expand...

Good point.

It's just so disheartening to hear how predictable we seem to be.

My only point is that being predictible (and overpowering) only works against underpowered opposition.
 
Upvote 0
Maybe JT needs to go back to his YSU defensive scheme. It's been to long for me to remember everything that they did, but they always had an extra hat in the box, which made running the ball hard, and they had enough rushers that every OL was manned up with a DL and couldn't double anyone. The DL hasn't been the same since 2002 so it's up to the coaches to manufacture pressure since the front 4 can't get it on their own.
At YSU JT was an expert at coaching up players to maximize what he could get out of them. He regularly had less talent that the other team, but was still able to win. OSU as as much or more talent than anyone in the nation so it's up to the coaches to get these guys to play up to their ability, if not greater than their ability.
 
Upvote 0
FCollinsBuckeye;1261172; said:
Good point.

It's just so disheartening to hear how predictable we seem to be.

My only point is that being predictible (and overpowering) only works against underpowered opposition.
Click to expand...

I agree. It is disheartening. But what's most disheartening about it for me is that before every one of these big games we (I) get all excited fantasizing about all the new wrinkles JT's going to put in to throw the big-game opponents off with things we hadn't seen when playing "vanilla" schemes on inferior teams, and then getting deflated and frustrated when the other team adjusts and counter-punches.

Before the SC game I was questioning whether JT actually had any new sets that he'd throw in. That question was answered when I saw a whole different look on offense on the first few drives on Saturday. But the part of the equation that I didn't see was further adjustments / refinements in response to the other teams'. Maybe they were there and I just missed them, or maybe JT didn't feel comfortable changing things up again because he saw that his guys were struggling to stabilize their attack across consecutive possessions and were getting rattled that SC wasn't taking things lying down.
 
Upvote 0
The main problem as I see it is the def. scheme. Coach Heacock is a fine coach, but not a great coordinator.There's an obvious lack of punch diversity.

It seems our default setting is to read and react rather than attack and cause havoc. That leaves us open and against top flight competition, we get picked apart.

A big problem Saturday was that USC was able to dominate the line and then start rolling downfield looking to block. Even Sanchez did it a few times.The backers got swallowed whole and our d line just was completely overpowered at the point of attack.Once you get blown off the line,it's hard to control the tempo.

A few people made the excellent point that we don't show that many "looks" defensively that are widely divergent than what we normally do and I agree. More often than not, we flip between our base and then slight variations. Rarely will you see us flip out to a 4-6 or 4-4. I'm not saying those are the answer, but at least you make the opposition diagnose the new look and slow down.

I can't recall (and I am probably wrong) but did we overload the line at all in the second half?

In any event, we'll be fine, but it sucks to lose to a team who isn't the end all,be all they were made out to be.

:oh:
 
Upvote 0
I thought the play calling was great to be honest. Hard to call plays when your WR cant get open when they are being covered by a LB. Makes it difficult when your O-line gets owned. Makes it hard when you cant get pressure on the QB by rushing 6. Looked to me like they were faster and stronger than us.
 
Upvote 0
jimotis4heisman;1261133; said:
well see the next few weeks will be telling. i remember an average osu team that lost a couple of games early. that team with tim spencer at tailback was as good as anyone in the country by the end of the year.

well see what kind of coaches we have... well see what kind of kids we have...

for better or worse.
Click to expand...
Same could be said of the '05 team. Two early losses to Texas and PSU, but by the end of the year, with TS entrenched at QB, I think they could've given Texas or USC a run for their money in that title game.
 
Upvote 0
Coach Tressel seems to be such an easy going guy. Sometimes maybe just once, he could pull out a tantrum of some sort and really get mad at his players. I don't think he has ever done that at Ohio State. Maybe it is not necessary with todays players but I wonder what would happen if he ever went off the deep end. Would it do damage to his credibility. I don't know.
 
Upvote 0
OSUNorthCampus;1261818; said:
can someone explain to me why we exclusively play zone? it wasn't working...switch it up please. it won't work especially when we couldn't get pressure.
Click to expand...
It wasn't the scheme. mistakes were made in coverage. And one td was a pick play that didn't get called illegal.
 
Upvote 0
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top