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The Red Sox Are Coming!!!! The Red Sox Are Coming!!!

Discussion in 'Professional Baseball' started by sears3820, Aug 26, 2004.

  1. sears3820

    sears3820 Sitting around in my underwear....

    Don't look now Yankee fans but we're nipping at your heels only 5.5 games back.

    And with 6 games left against the Bronx Bombers, things are going to get very interesting down the stretch.
  2. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie


  3. tibor75

    tibor75 Banned

    Red Sox fans are among the most annoying in the country. Nobody gives a shit about your pain. Chicago, Cleveland, and other cities have experienced as much but you just seek to shove everybody's face in it. I can't stand the Yankees but I must admit I was rooting for them to come back in game 7 against the BoSox. Just picturing Ben Affleck crying his stupid eyes out was worth it. Almost as funny as Drew Carey sinking his tears into a pile of Bon-Bons when Renteria smoked the ball past Nagy.
  4. sears3820

    sears3820 Sitting around in my underwear....

    Chicago? Their fans couldn't care any less if they win or not. As long as the beer's cold at Wrigley.

    Cleveland? Their fans true colors showed when they Mark Shapiro took over and started dumping salary. They couldn't even fill up half of the Jake. Biggest group of fair-weather fans I've ever seen.
  5. JCOSU86

    JCOSU86 Go Bucks! Staff Member

    Spoken like a true humanitarian in the health care field.

    I shudder to think what would happen if a patient of yours is a Cleveland or Boston fan and dies under your care. The lawyer will rip you 2 new assholes.

    That of course assumes you ARE a Doctor.....
  6. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    This may be the 1st time I've ever agreed with Tibbs, but here goes (keep in mind that I am extremely biased in this conversation, because I am a huge fan of the Evil Empire):

    "Red Sox fans are among the most annoying in the country. Nobody gives a shit about your pain."

    Red Sox fans include a large portion intellectual, wax-poetic, and cheesy celebrities that like to cry about the state of their baseball team in public over, and over, and OVER again for attention. Like Delores Kearns Goodwin?? She grew up in New York & a Brooklyn Dodger fan and jumped on the Red Sox in the '67 "Impossible Dream" season. Why would anyone CHOOSE to cheer for the Red Sox?? Most "true" Sox fans just can't help it: born in New England, or from a family of Red Sox fans. She chose that team so she can get attention crying about her "pain and suffering" on TV.

    Ben Affleck? What a f'n loser. Get off my TV set, please. If you gave me Magic Johnson and Affleck and asked me which desperately needs to get out of the public spotlight more, it'd probably be a toss-up.

    BTW, Steven Wright as a Red Sox fan is classic, I will admit.

    Not to mention that most of the sports media across the country comes from Boston and grew up a Red Sox fan. Hell, even Suzyn Waldman (Yankees beat reporter on the YES Network) grew up a Sox Fan. Two-thirds of the Mets radio team is the same way. I think this rubs people the wrong way because of all the acclaim the Sox get over other teams. For example, Mo Vaughn over Albert Belle for the '95 MVP? What a joke. They show the Carlton Fisk HR over and over, but the Reds actually won the Series (surprisingly, no mention is ever made of that). And the fact that Carlton Fisk made the HOF. What a joke. The only way that guy should get into Cooperstown is with a ticket.

    And nobody in that town gives a hoot about the Greatest Professional Basketball team ever compared to a team that hasn't won anything in 80 years.

    "Chicago, Cleveland, and other cities have experienced as much but you just seek to shove everybody's face in it."

    Here's where we disagree. Chicago and Cleveland's teams have just been god-awful. They haven't teased their fans into thiking they're gonna win before pulling the rug out. And besides, Cubs fans don't care, ditto for the White Sox, and Cleveland had no fans before Jacobs Field. Boston is probably the 2nd best baseball city in America, and they have invented ways to lose. Did you ever notice how they ALWAYS take it to Game 7 before they lose? Did you ever notice how they always have a big lead in aforementioned Game 7 before blowing it? I mean, those losses, over and over and over again have got to hurt. Badly. I don't care who you are.

    And oh yeah, to "my boy" BuckeyeNation: Jeter gets hit on the elbow and leaves game. NEXT DAY: hits a HR in the 1st Inning and in the 9th Inning steals 2nd and 3rd and scores the winning run. OFF DEEZ NUTS, BIZATCH!
  7. Brutus1

    Brutus1 Don't be penurious, donate to the BP Spring Dr.

    I'm in Tibors corner on this one. As much as the Yankees ruin the salary structure with their outrageous payroll, I despise the Red Sox so much more. Every single Red Sox fan I know is a whining, excuse making fan. They really are annoying. No offense to you Sears, thats just on the 10 fans I deal with.

    I guess another big reason I hate them is that know it all GM and Ownership. I love to see them spend the money every year and still not win it.

    Cub fans are used to losing so they never expect too much.

    Shapiro is handcuffed by an asshole owner who refuses to spend money.

    I just hate baseball anyway, and use it as a reason to kill time untill football season arrives.
  8. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie

    Let me get this straight...Larry Dolan tells Shapiro to gut the team because he's losing money. The Indians have to give up guys like Manny, Thome, Robbie Alomar, and Bartolo Colon, players Cleveland fans have grown to love. After basically telling Indians fans they will not be competitive for several years people are supposed to spend their hard earned money to fill the Jake every night?

    Say I'm a fan of the movie E.T. Steven Spielberg announces he is coming out with a sequel but tells me up front he can't spend as much money as he did on the first one so Drew Barrymore won't be in it, the special effects won't be nearly as good, and the video quality is going to be supbar. I'm supposed to buy a ticket to go see that because I'm an E.T. fan? Horseshit.

    We're not talking about supporting your local high school or your university. These are professionals. If the team is spending money and trying to win you can argue that you should support your team no matter what their record is. When business decisions are involved and the bottom line matters more than winning than fan's have a right not to show up until things change. I don't blame Larry Dolan for what happened to the Indians. I blame Bud Selig.

    Edit: Getting back on topic, the Yankees suck and I'd rather see the Red Sox win it all. :biggrin:
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2004
  9. sears3820

    sears3820 Sitting around in my underwear....

    Nice objective analysis. :shake:

    Carlton Fisk not deserving??? At least try and mask your bias a little next time.

    Baseball's most durable catcher with 24 years behind the plate. The 11-time All-Star hit 376 career HRs including a major league record 351 as a catcher. Won a gold glove in his rookie season and became the first man ever to win the rookie of the year award unanimously.
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  10. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

    plus jeter is still a pussy
  11. sears3820

    sears3820 Sitting around in my underwear....

    So did most Indian fans change their allegiance after the players they grew to love signed elsewhere? Did you start cheering for the Sox because they signed Manny in '00 or the Phillies after they signed Thome in '03?

    I don't agree with the whole professional vs. amateur angle. If I did there would be no way I could ever root for the Red Sox after Red Sox owner Harry Frazee needed money to finance his girlfriend's play, so he sold Babe Ruth's contract to Colonel Jacob Ruppert's New York Yankees for $100,000 (plus a loan collateralized by Fenway Park) thus cursing the franchise forever.
  12. tibor75

    tibor75 Banned

  13. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun ‘18 Fantasy Baseball Champ

    Red Sox = Charlie Brown

    Yankees = Lucy

    I think we all know how this ends.
  14. Sloopy45

    Sloopy45 Pimp Minister Sinister

    sears: "Carlton Fisk not deserving??? At least try and mask your bias a little next time."

    Sears, a lot of what I said is biased. That statement is not. When it comes to the HOF, I can honestly say that my favorite player (and favorite athlete) of all time, Don Mattingly, doesn't deserve the HOF.

    And Fisk doesn't either.

    That Gold Glove he won was the only one in his entire career!! There were eight or nine other catchers in Fisk's career that won the GG over him. You have to be Mike Piazza or stellar defensively to make the HOF as a catcher. One GG does not make you a stellar defensive catcher. If you're a catcher, your numbers have to be overwhelming to overcome that fallacy and make the HOF. Fisk's numbers aren't that.

    Secondly, Fish was a complier. If there was a Durability HOF, then Fish should make it. However, this is the Baseball HOF. If durability was a case for candidacy, then Bob Boone should've made it as well.

    Ask yourself this: if not for the '75 Game 6 Home Run, then Fisk is remembered historically as nothing more than Bob Boone. The HR record for catchers really means nothing. I think Ryne Sandberg is the all-time 2B HR champ, and he probably won't make the Hall (I, however, think he should).

    Don't take offense to this. I don't think many other catchers should be in the Hall. Gary Carter is another prime example of this. Great player, but not a HOF'er. I even question Piazza's candidacy because he was god-awful behind the plate for the duration of his career.

    If not for the Red Sox fans in the media, Fisk doesn't come close. Sorry, but its a fact. His numbers and career just doesn't jusitfy a HOF selection.
  15. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie

    There is no loyalty in professional sports. It's a business. Players aren't loyal, owners aren't loyal, and that's fine. Why should fans be? When teams like the Indians have to dump salary because they can't afford to pay their players they shouldn't expect working class people to fill the seats every night. It's that simple. You put out an inferior product, attendance suffers.

    I lived in Massachusetts for 9 years and they are the most obnoxious sports fans in the country, IMO. I will never root for the Red Sox.

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