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The Walking Dead (Official Thread)

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This was exactly my point with Hershel's never-empty shotgun. Of course, you have to suspend disbelief as to the theme of the show, but it's set more or less in the present on earth and the details should be consistent with that and they should be, as BN27 has said, internally consistent within the show.
 
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RugbyBuck said:
This was exactly my point with Hershel's never-empty shotgun. Of course, you have to suspend disbelief as to the theme of the show, but it's set more or less in the present on earth and the details should be consistent with that and they should be, as BN27 has said, internally consistent within the show.
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That's the thing about creating another world, or an entire alternative universe: As the god of creation there, you're responsible for determining their laws of nature. As observers of that world, us folks from this one are accustomed to having our laws of physics consistent. If you've actually paid attention to events in a show from the beginning, it will jar you right out of your disbelief when they violate their own rules. It doesn't get chalked up to creative liberties, at least for me, but rather is immediately attributed to the creators of the show not caring enough to pay attention, or respecting their audience or their own product enough to maintain a coherent illusion.

On the other hand...wizard.

 
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Man, for 20 minutes I thought this might be a good episode, and then...

Katherine Durant emerges from the middle of nowhere acting all Leonardo DaVinci, and the extreme ridiculousness returns
 
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Bucklion said:
Man, for 20 minutes I thought this might be a good episode, and then...

Katherine Durant emerges from the middle of nowhere acting all Leonardo DaVinci, and the extreme ridiculousness returns
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I actually found that more believable than the nonsense with Rick and Negan's Fast and Furious chase where they never show you how Rick caught up to Negan's charger in some old beat up jeep and managed to flip it, and then the whole basement scene was just awful, followed by an even worse ending where Negan escapes but yet manages to escape into the cross hairs of the garbage gal - which of course we don't see because even they couldn't figure out how to play that one for the audience. I also love how characters on the show go from elite snipers to can't hit a guy right in front of them with an assault rifle in a week's time.
 
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The fight in the abandoned whatever was crazy dumb. We're now just fist fighting zombies in a dark enclosed space? Sure.

But other than that stupidity, and Bucklion's post (which was kinda dumb. If they wrote it better or gave it more than 10 minutes of development, that could have been OK).....it was a pretty good episode. The dynamic between Dwight and Simon was actually well done. Dwight thinks Simon is asking questions because he knows Dwight's secret.....when in reality he's just staging a coup. They somehow managed to handle that story with a tiny amount of the delicacy needed....instead of smashing us over the head with it like everything else.

edit - lol yeah.....what Magua said, too. still, though.
 
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Magua said:
I actually found that more believable than the nonsense with Rick and Negan's Fast and Furious chase where they never show you how Rick caught up to Negan's charger in some old beat up jeep and managed to flip it, and then the whole basement scene was just awful, followed by an even worse ending where Negan escapes but yet manages to escape into the cross hairs of the garbage gal - which of course we don't see because even they couldn't figure out how to play that one for the audience. I also love how characters on the show go from elite snipers to can't hit a guy right in front of them with an assault rifle in a week's time.
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
The fight in the abandoned whatever was crazy dumb. We're now just fist fighting zombies in a dark enclosed space? Sure.

But other than that stupidity, and Bucklion's post (which was kinda dumb. If they wrote it better or gave it more than 10 minutes of development, that could have been OK).....it was a pretty good episode. The dynamic between Dwight and Simon was actually well done. Dwight thinks Simon is asking questions because he knows Dwight's secret.....when in reality he's just staging a coup. They somehow managed to handle that story with a tiny amount of the delicacy needed....instead of smashing us over the head with it like everything else.

edit - lol yeah.....what Magua said, too. still, though.
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At this point I think we just have to accept that the action scenes are gonna be terrible. I mean Rutgers basketball terrible. There’s not going to be any story continuity or nuance in them, it’s Arnold Schwarzenegger-makes-another-bad-movie-and-avenges-his-pet-squirrel kinda shit we’re going to get, complete with Defcon 2-level stupid dialogue trying to make Negin look funny and Rick look savage.
Which, as 27 points out accurately, is in razor-sharp contrast to the Negin/Simon/Dwight thing, which to me ranks with early-mid Ezekiel as one of the only good solid pieces of storytelling they’ve done in the last 3 seasons. The dude playing Simon in particular has stepped up his work, in essence turning as the Devil on Negin’s shoulder without being overly ham-hoc about it (except for dealing with the garbage people, but we can forgive him since he had jack cock to work with there). Dwight has surprised my too, as he’s gone from change-the-channel heat early to one of the more interesting characters in the show once they got him away from Darryl (the Angel on Negin’s shoulder, even if he wants to stick an awl in his ear while he sits there). I also thought the fact that no one came to help Negin had a chance to be a seminal show moment and the beginning of where Negin realizes he has fucked up royally…but that, of course, had to get lost in the Rick-lights-the-bat-on-fire-and-frees-walkers-to-have-them-both-pretend-the-bat-is-a-person-horseshit.
 
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Magua said:
Here's a pretty good rundown of all the asshattery of this last episode.

https://www.theringer.com/tv/2018/3/19/17139294/the-walking-dead-season-8-episode-12-the-key-recap
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I’ll add a couple:

Negin fell, what, 2 stories? Into the basement? Then he and rick battle it out and he...jumps out a first floor window?

Negin’s entire premise was to get guts all over everything and infect the hilltop. So naturally, while driving along with a bucket of infected guts, he wrecks his car, which results in all of the blood spilling...in the car, but he doesn’t have a scratch on him and presumably he won’t be getting infected :slappy:

Rick hit Negin with Lucille...that must be some badass leather he was wearing, because the barbed wire should have ripped through his clothes...and his flesh. Oh, he was wearing plot armor-plated leather? Ok, well Negin got the bat back and hit rick to, so that must have...yeah, no.

The Walkers were WATCHING THEM FIGHT. The only time a Walker tried to get either on was when they were separated. I guess you he Walkers can’t watch PPV boxing, so...
 
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Bucklion said:
I’ll add a couple:

Negin fell, what, 2 stories? Into the basement? Then he and rick battle it out and he...jumps out a first floor window?

Negin’s entire premise was to get guts all over everything and infect the hilltop. So naturally, while driving along with a bucket of infected guts, he wrecks his car, which results in all of the blood spilling...in the car, but he doesn’t have a scratch on him and presumably he won’t be getting infected :slappy:

Rick hit Negin with Lucille...that must be some badass leather he was wearing, because the barbed wire should have ripped through his clothes...and his flesh. Oh, he was wearing plot armor-plated leather? Ok, well Negin got the bat back and hit rick to, so that must have...yeah, no.

The Walkers were WATCHING THEM FIGHT. The only time a Walker tried to get either on was when they were separated. I guess you he Walkers can’t watch PPV boxing, so...
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You're forgetting one very important thing.

Negan is a fucking cat.
 
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I thought the last episode was pretty damn good. I thought the chemical warfare was interesting and I think the deal is that you can get infected that way and turn, but it isn't a 100% thing. I will say, not sure how they just walked up to the Hilltop house totally in the open and did not see that coming...is anybody else confused as to how there was supposed to be any element of surprise there? Also, I hate, hate, HATE the kid that let the prisoners out...not sure why the writers want to make him so willfully stupid, or why Carol and Morgan should even care about the kid.
 
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RB07OSU said:
I thought the last episode was pretty damn good. I thought the chemical warfare was interesting and I think the deal is that you can get infected that way and turn, but it isn't a 100% thing. I will say, not sure how they just walked up to the Hilltop house totally in the open and did not see that coming...is anybody else confused as to how there was supposed to be any element of surprise there? Also, I hate, hate, HATE the kid that let the prisoners out...not sure why the writers want to make him so willfully stupid, or why Carol and Morgan should even care about the kid.
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Because that’s what they do...they say “we want to set this scenario up” and then don’t care Jack shit how it gets there. That was all over the episode...from the fact no one woke up when the walkers were roaming around eating people, to the fact all the newly dead people all happened to wake up at the perfect time, to the whole poisoned weapons thing, which would be cool and all had we not watched 8 seasons of people splattering Walker blood everywhere every time they kill one...and no one got sick. I mean fuck, Negin had a fucking CAR ACCIDENT in a car with a BUCKET OF WALKER BLOOD ON THE FRONT SEAT and...yeah, nothing. No infection. Nothing.

As for the kid, it’s that little twerp that belonged to the blonde hairdresser that was mounting Rick, V2.0. Or Coral. Or the girl Carol capped. Every kid in this show has been a disaster. Time for more looking at the flowers.
 
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