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This is FUNNY....N.Dame Students having a rally Tuesday

LloydSev said:
You have to think about it this way, if Ty Willingham came here and had a 58.3% record would we keep him around? Or would you think he should stick around a couple more years?
No, but come one LloydSev, Notre Dame already decided that we were not in the same league when then decided against the Big Ten and against playing us again after that rather severe (what was it, five touchdowns at the half?) ass-kicking they got in the late 1990s.

Does anyone have that list of most over-rated teams? Notre Dame are pretenders, plain and simple. Granted, there was a time when we couldn't beat Michigan, I'm just having trouble remembering when that was these days:) .

But, your point is well made, and we would not. And it's nice that they aspire to be the Buckeyes, even recruiting their quarterback in Columbus. Nice touch. Big goals can stretch one!
 
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it was purely sarcasm regarding my post about all three positions being open....<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
<sarcasm on>Its almost sad that had to be made clear.</sarcasm off>

Well, they were all clamoring to fire Bob Davie, and I think he was 21-16 in his last few years, and Willingham is 21-15, so it doesn't seem like there's a whole heck of a lot of progress being made to me.
The best distinction I've heard drawn between the Davie and Willingham eras is like this:

Davie could recruit very well -- Willingham cannot.
Willingham could win with Davie's recruits, Willingham can't win with his own.
Davie couldn't win with his own recruits.

Its a toss up as to whom they believe is the dumber of the two as coaches, though I'd say Davie's frequent counting errors wins him that award hands down.
 
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I think Willingham should get another year or two-let Quinn develop fully-if they still suck-can his ass. Also, Willingham has had OK recruiting classes the last couple of years-not great-but OK. He has been hurt recruiting speed on D, as another poster alluded too-funny how that is always Stanford's problem as well.......
 
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Its Dilution that has The Irish Losing Faith

Also, Willingham has had OK recruiting classes the last couple of years-not great-but OK.
stx - not sure the ND failthful agree with you that they are OK, leastways not by ND's standards.
Look at the class they reeled in for 2002 the TW to Davie transition year (Willingham was hired Januray of 2002) - it was capped with 2 5* players, 10 4*, 4 3* and then 1 2*, 1 1* to close out.
In 2003 they went to 12 4*, 7 3* and 1 2* Good depth, but no "world beaters" on paper.
In 2004 the class had 3 4*, 10 3* and 4 2* players, even more like a depth class, with no "world beaters."
In prospect for 2005 they have verbal commits from 3 4*, 6 3* and 2 3* players.

What has the ND faithful concerned is that those difference makers they used to see regularly suit up for the Irish are going elsewhere.

By way of comparison tOSU under JT has regularly brought that marquee talent to the dance, sometimes in clutches like 2002 or prospectively this year. Hasn't always worked out, but when its been good (Ginn for instance to name just one recent example) its been really good.
 
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