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To Return to the Office, Or Not Return to the Office, That is the Question (Future of Work Thread)

Ha .. being forced back into the office next week for 3 days a week… everyone “voted” and the “mandatory” days are Tuesday & Thursday…. well if we gotta go 3 days… guess when I’m going (and probably everyone else).

In the midst of all this we get the good ole company survey… I’m under 0 illusions things will change by my well thought out answers but my goodness I am so tied of the bullshit… “What’s the best thing we could do to help you be more successful and tell us why it would matter to you”, “How can we help ease your transition back to the office” … by not making me go for starters….
 
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Ha! I’d trust you if you were on my team. I regularly have people on my team travel for fun and work during the day and enjoy being not home during the off hours. It’s not uncommon for some folks on my team to travel and do an early in / early out and enjoy some of the day when they are traveling as well. One of my people just spent almost three months working from India. She got married and had some time off for that but we let her work there remotely for six weeks. As long as shit’s getting done, it’s all good by me.

Hell, from end of January to end of April this year I’m living in Indiana. I do a morning shift and then from 4:00 - 6:00 I go coach and then come back and put in a couple of hours in the evening. It’s working great… that ‘late shift’ gives me time to actually get shit done because I’m not in meetings that other people seem to assume my presence to be a requirement. It also gives me time to schedule meetings with my west coast staff when things are quiet and not rushed.

My employer has been great about accommodating this schedule…. I guess it all comes down to corporate culture. You should become a data scientist and come work for me… we’ll work something out. :wink:
My man! Truth be told, my employer is pretty much the same. I’m not even sure we really have a PTO policy other than “hey if you’re going to be OUT OUT just let us/clients know” otherwise they don’t care where in the world you work. Like you said, just get shit done.

Although I may be moving from one small company to an even smaller company to help them build out a new department. I’ll make sure to keep that travel perk. Or I’ll be hitting you up to talk. Lol
 
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Adams: Remote work 'draining' New York City's economy
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-borough...mote-work--draining--new-york-city-s-economy-
NEW YORK — Mayor Eric Adams on Tuesday renewed his call for an end to working from home policies, arguing remote work was partly to blame for “draining” the five boroughs’ economy.

At a news briefing Tuesday morning, NY1 asked Adams why the city’s unemployment figures were still higher than those of other metropolitan areas. The mayor cited a “combination” of factors in his response.

What You Need To Know
Mayor Eric Adams on Tuesday renewed his call for an end to working from home policies, arguing remote work was partly to blame for “draining” the five boroughs’ economy

New York City “is not a city where you can remotely have employment, and that’s feeding our, really, unemployment numbers,” the mayor said

The city's seasonally adjusted unemployment rate stood at 7% in February — down by 5.5% from February 2021 but still higher than its 3.4% rate in February 2020, New York State Department of Labor statistics show
“Number one, we need people back to work. The financial ecosystem is crucial,” he said. “I need the accountant in the office, so that they can go to the local restaurant, so that we can make sure that everyone is employed.”

New York City “is not a city where you can remotely have employment, and that’s feeding our, really, unemployment numbers,” he maintained.

“Too many of our jobs are being, one, we’re recruiting people from outside the city. Number two, we have too many New Yorkers who are not in the city, and they’re carrying out jobs remotely, and it’s draining our economy,” he added. “So we’re doing a full push to get people back to work, get jobs back here in the city, train our young people so they can be employed, so we can turn around these numbers.”

Adams also noted that “the amount of tourism received in the city is crucial” to its economy.

“So there are many rivers,” he said. “We must ensure all of these rivers are flowing.”

New York City’s seasonally adjusted unemployment rate stood at 7% in February — down by 5.5% from February 2021 but still higher than its 3.4% rate in February 2020, New York State Department of Labor statistics show.

The mayor’s remarks, which came after he announced the launch of a new career training program for young New Yorkers in foster care, echoed comments he made about remote work at a press conference in February.

“One thing that can’t happen, you can’t stay home in your pajamas all day,” he said at the time. “That is not who we are as a city. You need to be out, cross-pollinating ideas, interacting with humans. It is crucial. We’re social creatures and we must socialize to get the energy we need as a city.”

Gov. Kathy Hochul last month also called for employees to return to their offices, saying New Yorkers “thrive more when everyone comes back in person.”

A poll conducted by the Partnership for New York City between Feb. 17 and March 11, however, found concerns about safety on city streets and public transit were “the single biggest obstacle to mobilizing the return to work in the city’s office buildings.”

Of the public transit commuters the poll surveyed, 74% said transit safety had “gotten worse” since the COVID-19 pandemic began.
 
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Interesting data.

I'm biased towards a hybrid/flexible approach (with an emphasis on continuing WFH for most employees), so this just might be confirmation bias speaking here but that data suggests that keeping a heavy WFH element is going to be beneficial for productivity. I think trying to force full-return-to-office for most organizations would be disastrous, and very unnecessary. The companies that need people to be somewhere have already gone back (or like the service industry, never stopped).
 
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You need accountants in the office?

You know why this is funny? BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE THERE ANYMORE!

And its not because they moved necessarily (though some certainly have), its because they work for someone else now, whose in.... Chicago, wherever.

Of course the mayor of NYC isn't going to like that, and companies in NYC (and elsewhere) who have massive expensive real estate isn't going to like that. (Go see what Jamie Dimons take on working from home is)

Now do San Francisco. Silicon Valley is basically just going to fill every job going forward with someone from somewhere else. Hell, I work for a company based in California, they told me straight up they were paying me 25% less than if I lived in L.A. -- and you know what? I don't care. Imagine if you're a growing company with 50 employees and you'd like to have 100.... and what if you could afford 125 US employees for the same money and then another 10-15 because you don't have to have an office for them? I mean, this is tech, you want 3 more dev teams, its a no brainer. (Obviously other folks will just take the savings) - but this is going to hollow out the middle even more for a lot of places that were already effectively populated by rich people and their servants.
 
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Employees Are Returning to the Office, Just to Sit on Zoom Calls T hose at companies pushing for in-person work are asking: What’s the point, if we’re still meeting online?
By Claire Ballentine and Allison McNeely
April 1, 2022, 12:01 PM EDT
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...o-office-post-covid-just-to-sit-on-zoom-calls
It’s the 2022 return-to-office story: Figuring out childcare arrangements, digging work clothes out of storage, battling the morning commute — and then getting on a video call with colleagues sitting next to you. With Covid cases relatively low, companies are increasingly calling their employees back to in-person work, at least for part of the week.

Executives usually cite collaboration and work culture as reasons to return. But once in the office, workers are finding that Zoom meetings are still a central aspect of the day. Even for those back in the office, it can be easier than corralling a group into a conference room, and in some cases, it’s a necessity for teams working across different cities or countries. For those who prefer working from home, but are now required to come into the office, it’s also a source of frustration.

“With my team, not all of us go into the office on the same days so if we have a meeting, it’s going to be on Zoom, which is annoying,” said Maddi Perkins, a 26-year-old who works in the finance industry in Dallas. “It’s pointless. Even when we are in the office, we're not collaborating any more than we would just over Slack at home.” One of her main annoyances is the echo when she’s seated next to a colleague on the same call as her. Sometimes, she can’t even understand what’s happening in the meeting because of it.

Plus, there’s the cost of the commute. Perkins has to drive an hour to her office in the downtown area, paying for gas and $16 a day to park. “They’re trying to push for us to go back to the office, but it’s a financial and mental strain,” she said. “And there’s still no actual communication in person.”

Staying Home

Despite companies like JPMorgan Chase & Co., Alphabet Inc.'s Google and Apple Inc. bringing employees back to the office, many Americans prefer remote work. A recent survey from management consultancy Advanced Workplace Associates showed that only 3% of white-collar employees prefer to work in the office five days a week, and 86% want to work from home at least two days a week. U.S. office occupancy is currently at about 39.5%, according to Kastle Systems, which provides security services for commercial office spaces.

For Zoom Video Communications Inc. and its competitors, the continued reliance on video chat is undoubtedly a positive. But the company's shares have suffered recently on concerns its growth will slow as more people return to offices. Projected sales missed Wall Street estimates in the most recent quarter, and the firm's stock has fallen more than 35% since the beginning of the year.

Employees who want to return to the office are looking for “socialization and relationship-building more than anything else,” said Brian Elliott, executive leader of the Slack Future Forum, which studies the evolution of work. “When you ask executives, you're more likely to get an answer around collaboration or worse yet productivity, when people have spent the last two years proving they can be productive working from home."

To Dave Murphy, who works in IT management in Sacramento, California, it doesn’t make sense to force people into an office, especially if they’re working with colleagues in other geographic locations. “Management is in another city so it will always be a Zoom call with my manager,” the 48-year-old said. “You're trying to talk and you've got five or six people around you also talking. It’s a horrible experience.”

The rationale his employer is touting, that employees work better when they’re together in an office, rings hollow to him. “There's a gap in that conversation because collaboration is not the reason,” Murphy said. “In the office, we're pretty much just focused on our work. It’s not like five of us get together around a computer and hash some problem out.”

For a hybrid strategy to work well, companies need to be intentional about how and why people are going back to in-person work, said Lauren Mason, senior consultant for the career business at Mercer, a management consulting firm. Right now, many firms are overlooking that in the rush to reopen offices.

“When people are coming back and they're still focused on video calls, it further creates frustration and resentment toward having to return to offices,” she said.

Zoom Advantages Yet for all the hatred of video calls, there are also some perks compared to in-person meetings. It’s easier to look at documents or notes on a screen alongside the call. The screen-sharing function means there’s no need to print out pages. And for those who aren’t that interested in the meeting, it’s convenient for multi-tasking.

Jonathan Richardson, a lawyer in Ottawa, often does Zoom meetings with clients so they don’t have to travel to his downtown office. That way, they don’t have to take time off work or pay for parking. His office only has 11 employees and they’re allowed to work from home whenever they want. Many are coming into the office, but not all at the same time, which means their weekly Tuesday meeting is always a Zoom call.

“There are certain tasks much more easily done in person, but so much of what we do is capable of being done by Zoom,” he said. The struggle now for companies is to figure out how best to continue using pandemic-era technology that’s made some aspects of work easier, while also encouraging real-life interactions.

“Everyone is still figuring it out,” Mason said. “Just as two years ago we were forced into this remote work, now we're having the same challenges to move into hybrid. It’s going to be an adjustment period.”
 
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Of course the mayor of NYC isn't going to like that, and companies in NYC (and elsewhere) who have massive expensive real estate isn't going to like that.


And now he's going to have to WFH for a few days :rofl:

(Go see what Jamie Dimons take on working from home is)
RETURN TO THE OFFICE APR. 5, 2022
The Junior Bankers Are Winning
By Kim Velsey
https://www.curbed.com/2022/04/jp-morgan-chase-latest-firm-to-cave-hybrid-work.html
While tech, media, and other industries have taken a permissive, laid-back approach to returning to the office — in March, for example, Apple told workers they’d have to come back one day a week starting April 11, eventually ramping up to three days a week — the finance industry has been staunchly committed to a full-on five-day-a-week return. Junior bankers rebelling? Goldman Sachs is unmoved (its chief executive has called remote work “an aberration”). But that kind of resolve is starting to crumble. This week, JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon, who once told The Wall Street Journal, “People don’t like commuting, but so what?,” is giving up on the five-day week for office workers, Crain’s reports. “It’s clear that working from home will become more permanent in American business,” Dimon wrote in the annual shareholder letter on Monday.

JPMorgan Chase said that it will only expect workers whose jobs cannot be done remotely — retail branch, security and facilities workers — to show up in person full time. That’s about half of the bank’s workforce. Another 40 percent will be able to work within a hybrid model and come in a few times a week, and, finally, 10 percent will be able to work from home entirely.

Other finance firms, after initially taking a hard-line approach to the five-day office week, have also backed off in recent months. In February, BNY Mellon and American Express both temperedMarch call-backs with hybrid work options. Citi has been back on a two-day-a-week schedule since September. Now the majority of financial institutions have given in to workers’ demands for remote options, even if “in private, many senior bank executives tasked with raising attendance among their direct reports expressed irritation,” according to a January story in the New York Times.

JPMorgan is still moving ahead with plans for its new headquarters at 270 Park Avenue, which is expected to accommodate 12,000 to 14,000 workers, but the seating is going to be flexible, like the workforce. Who is left now that even JPMorgan has given up on returning to the five-day-a-week model? Goldman Sachs, pretty much. Even Eric Adams, a return-to-the-office hard-liner, has softened his stance in recent months.
 
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The author sorta misses an obvious thing, and that as to scale. These big banks are technology firms, and in that space they are competing with "tech firms" for the same talent. The smaller guys absolutely are going to find ways to offset a firm like JPMC's ability to pay, and provide perks.

Permanent work from home plus unlimited paid time off is a powerful weapon.
 
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Permanent work from home plus unlimited paid time off is a powerful weapon.
This is kind of a funny misnomer any more in my mind. You don’t earn time off or sick days or comp days anymore at most places. Companies don’t want that debt on their books.

I have unlimited time off and rarely do I put in in for it. I just do what I want when I want and get my work done. It’s nice to think I could say I’ll be gone for 2-3 weeks, but it’s just not going to happen. Of course try to find me on a Friday8D
 
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This is kind of a funny misnomer any more in my mind. You don’t earn time off or sick days or comp days anymore at most places. Companies don’t want that debt on their books.

I have unlimited time off and rarely do I put in in for it. I just do what I want when I want and get my work done. It’s nice to think I could say I’ll be gone for 2-3 weeks, but it’s just not going to happen. Of course try to find me on a Friday8D

Oh, they do it because people will take less, OR they will stay available when they are out.

But yes it sounds amazing.

We are required to track it, so I do... And basically just use what I had before, because I had plenty
 
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