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Toledo RB Ray Williams (official thread)

Discussion in 'College Football' started by Buckskin86, Nov 4, 2003.

  1. MegaWoody

    MegaWoody Newbie

    Teenaged brains

    Believe it or not there is actually a medical explanation for some of this behavior. The human brain, specifically the pre-frontal cortex, is not fully formed until the age 20-21. Kind of like wisdom teeth. The pre-frontal cortex is the area of the brain that allows us to anticipate future consequences and moderate our behavior accordingly. When one of our posters said that the kids only see the 'present' he was exactly right, scientifically. It's why teenaged boys who aren't famous athletes get in their names in the paper by wrecking their cars, killing themselves and friends.

    They may look a lot like adults on the outside, except for the pimples, but they are not yet adults cerebrally. To compensate for this inherent brain deficit, parents, coaches and teachers need to lay down and enforce strict rules of behavior. But for many gifted teenaged athletes, there is no discipline at all. On the contrary, they are coddled and spoiled. Then, left to their own devices, teenaged boys find it diffcult to resist risky behavior.

    Hope this doesn't sound like an excuse for the bad behavior we read about every day. It's not. It's merely a caution to the adults who care about these kids that they absolutely must lay down the law, because Junior's not able to lay it down for himself just yet.
  2. BuckeyeInTheBoro

    BuckeyeInTheBoro This space left intentionally blank

    :yow2: Wow, I think I'm smarter for having read that. I don't come to this board to get smarter. :wink2:

    Just kidding... good first post.
  3. NorthShoreBuck

    NorthShoreBuck True Madness Requires Significant Intelligence


    I am not smart enough to disagree with you but I would venture to say that there 80 or so other kids on the team whose pre-frontal cortex appears to be developed just fine. There are a lot of reasons young kids make mistakes. Let's just hope there are more reasons they choose not to make mistakes.
  4. Buckskin86

    Buckskin86 Moderator

    Williams indicted on Murder charges

  5. Buckeye737

    Buckeye737 Sophmore

    This Mack guy has got to be a candidate for jackass of the month for that comment. Oh yeah, if Roberts just would have listened to the guys pointing guns at him like a good citizen, blah, blah, blah.
  6. CleveBucks

    CleveBucks Serenity now Staff Member

    What do you expect a lawyer to say?
  7. LordJeffBuck

    LordJeffBuck Illuminatus Emeritus Staff Member

    Mr. Mack should be disclipined by the bar for that statement - absolutely unbelieveable, a new low for the legal profession, advocating that the public assume the position of victimhood with respect to criminal behaivor. If the criminals get their way, then no one gets hurt, I guess....
  8. coxew

    coxew Newbie

    I actually won an e-mail contest with the local sports radio station over Mack's comments. The contest was the Art's Rental Tool of the Week and my prize was a lunch for four at Chipolte. Big prize, huh.
  9. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    WTF is going on in Ohio's legal system?

    Wednesday, police Cmdr. Ed Tomba said the murder charges are warranted even though neither Huddleston nor Williams fired the fatal shots. Under state law, they are responsible for Lorenzo's death because they evidently took willful part in criminal conduct that led to it, Tomba said.

    Say what? So if I'm a high school kid toilet-papering some guy's house and the guy comes out and shoots my friend who was helping me, I'm the one guilty of killing my friend? No wonder we have all these criminals on the street instead of in jail.

    "Had [Roberts] complied with these young men's demands, we can assume that Mr. Hunter would not be dead today," Mack said.

    Just another example of how true criminals are treated as innocent and the innocent are the criminals...
  10. Buckeye737

    Buckeye737 Sophmore

    Cleve - I expect the lawyer to be biased, but not that ridiculous. That statement was so ridiculous that I think a jury member would be completely turned off. Anything else coming from someone like that would have no credibility.
  11. OSUBasketballJunkie

    OSUBasketballJunkie Never Forget 31-0

    moronic statement from a lawyer....:stupid:
  12. LightningRod

    LightningRod Senior

    For those interested in Ohio's felony murder law in a case with somewhat similar facts, attached is a link to an Ohio Supreme Court case that was tried in the Cuyahoga County Juvenile Court.

    Felony Murder in Ohio
  13. Buckskin86

    Buckskin86 Moderator

    Shooter of Lorenzo Hunter gets probation

  14. OH10

    OH10 *

    I actually consider myself to somewhat intelligent on the substantive criminal law in Ohio. This case is not even somewhat analogous to toiletpapering. Whether the gun used in the robbery was real or not, it is aggravated robbery as long as it was reasonable to believe it was a real gun (remember it was dark outside). Whether the gun was real or not, Hunter's death was in self-defense as long as it was reasonable to believe the gun was real and as long as the shooter felt threatened at the time he defended himself.

    In Ohio, if you commit a dangerous felony such as aggravated robbery, you are responsible for the foreseeable consequences flowing from the felony. Here, it was foreseeable that a man would believe the gun used in the robbery to be real, and feel as though he had to defend himself by deadly force. In Ohio, it also does not matter that the individual killed is a co-conspirator. The other co-conspirators will be responsible for his death as long as it was a foreseeable consequence of the commission of a dangerous felony, and the death resulted during the commission of that felony.

    As long as Hunter wasn't shot in the back fleeing the scene, it's a slam dunk for the prosecution.
  15. Oh8ch

    Oh8ch Cognoscente of Omphaloskepsis Staff Member

    This should be mandatory reading for everyone who wants to post on the recruiting board. It does not say kids shouldn't be held accountable, but it does say that we need to understand how their minds work before making judgements about how they make judgements.

    Maybe JT understands this better than we do and considers it in whether he wants to take a gamble on a particular kid. Maybe that prototypical 'JT Recruit' is simply the kid who is ahaed of the curve with his prefontal cortex. Maybe Louis Irizarry and Maurice Clarett don't have a prefontal cortex.

    How many times do we utter the phrase "what a waste of talent"? The bad news is that all the kids who are candidates to make the same mistakes Ray Williams made either don't read the paper or couldn't relate the events to themselves if they did.

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