Steve19;950554; said:
Clearly, your comments are addressed to a Buckeye board. Perhaps you haven't realized from the posts here that your supporters seem to be few in number, in fact (0)?
Yeah. I managed to figure that Buckeye board thing out
My comments are addressed to you when I respond to you. If you need the back up of the whole board, that is your deal.
Of course, that is the home-cooked story, but it isn't what happened. There was no mention of a pre-arranged meeting to collect the car in the arrest report, by Joiner or the tow company employees, in fact, quite the opposite. Joiner admitted that he pushed open a large electric sliding gate and entered, then stole and impounded car, and then returned it when he was caught by an employee trying to get the gate shut.
This is the basis on which Joiner was formally charged with felony burglary (not trespassing,
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According to the GPD arrest report obtained by Florida Today, arresting Officer Robert Concannon wrote: "According to witnesses, the defendant did commit a burglary by forcibly (pushing an electric gate open) entering a fenced compond with the intent to commit an offense therein. The compound was not open to the public and the defendant was not licensed or invited to enter."
The statement also reads that Joiner was attempting to pull the gate shut when he was stopped by a witness. Joiner then drove the car back inside the gate and waited for the police to arrive."
The GPD arrest report also states that Joiner was talking on a cellphone when Concannon arrived and said, "I am probably about to go to jail 'cuz I did push the gate open."
Steve, I never said to "ignore the police report". You keep insisting that it can't be anything but some kind of coverup, ("good old boy" coverup, to be exact), and you imply that it is unreaonable to suggest that the local PD could never report anything untrue, inaccurate or incomplete. You also say that Meyer is not "principled". You seem upset because I don't completely agree with your evaluation of it. Tough shit Steve, get used to it. I am happy to read your views, happy to give you mine, but when you make the kind of negative statements about Meyer you make, and when you make the statements that you make with the conviction that you make them, I will disagree with you if I think there is some area for disagreement. That is why the site exists. It should not shock you that I do not agree that Meyer is not an unprinicpled tool. Why it does shock you is beyond me.
So, we should ignore the witness statements, the police report, and all other evidence and accept some good old home cooking? You are probably right, it's all a conspiracy by the local police to take advantage of the football players that bring so much revenue to the local economy.
Here you have a bad habit of trying to set up straw men to knock down. I never said to ignore police reports and "all other evidence". I never said that is was a conspiracy by the cops. The problem is I have read literally hundreds of police reports. Some of them are complete fabrications. Often they are accurate - as they contain what they were told at the time, only to have the facts turn out different. Very often they are correct in the facts that they relate, and those facts remain true, but for some reason leave out other equally critical facts that bear on the charge. And, yes, they are also very often so complete and accurate that their contents tells you all you need to know about the crime.
Here, it looks like TJ commited a crime. You say a felony, and seem sure. I think a misdemeanor, and I'm not so sure. You say that there is no way absent home cooking or fraud that TJ might have inquired about the girl's car, found out the amount owed, and been told that he could come down and pay at 4:30. You say that the report does not mention that, and so assume it could not be true. I simply cannot say it did not happen. If he was simply stealing it, why take the time to close the gate instead of just leaving when he got it out? I dunno.... All I know is that from the get go the owner of the lot said that TJ had arranged to pick it up. I never said that he should have taken it because the guy was not there, nor have I said that the kid should play against LSU.
I am simply saying that while it looks bad, there may be something else besides a sweep under the rug thing. Could it be just what it seems, and a local owner is covering for the Gator player because of the LSU game? Hell yes it could. But is it the absolute truth that you suggest that it is? I am not willing to say yet.
Bash a mod on BP and you won't be around here very long.
"Bash"? You ask if I am "stupid enough" to mean what I say, call me "ignorant", my coach unprincipled, and then call my disagreeing with your post "bashing"??? I suggest you wear a tight sweater when you post. Skin that thin and your internal organs might fall out onto your keyboard. That'd be a bitch to clean up.
This is rather simple. I'm a Gator, weighing in on a Buckeye board on a topic where the board is thumping a Gator player for being an idiot. I think TJ did wrong, and I think he should sit the LSU game. You think he did worse and deserve worse. Fine Steve. It is possible I'm seeing it wrong, and being too partisan. That is a reasonable opinion too. But then, it is
possible that you are happy to see the Gators having a problem. Recent events have made the Gators not your favorite team (other than this one time Satuday night
), and YOU might be looking at it if it was your guy differently, or if it was not a Gator.
Oh gosh, thanks so much for the validation. Actually, I prefer to rely on witness reports, police reports and other objective evidence. Looking at the world through homer-colored glasses, just doesn't seem to be very productive to me.
Conspiracy? SEC? Again, you have tried to put words in my mouth that I did not endorse, so you can build a straw man to knock down and bolster your pathetic homeristic argument.
"Pathetic homeristic argument"
Well, if you can't articulate a cogent reply without more name calling, just do the best you can do. YOU said that at "
any other major player outside the SEC anywhere else but Florida or the SEC" the press would be baying at the door. Explain please, how that could occur absent some conspiracy. I'm all ears. And that is not a straw man, it is your statement. Back it up how Florida keeps the mean 'ole ESPN at bay, hmmmm?
You're right, of course. Florida does not seem to have a discipline problem, charges are never dropped when their players are arrested, and this is an isolated incident...(
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Help me out here and post where I ever said any of these things will you?
Yep, you are right and I apologize. Classy!
I never said i was right. I'm saying that I'm not sure of all the facts yet to come to the certainty that you have. . You win the straw man war, that's for damn sure. I hope we can beat LSU. I damn sure hope you can beat Purdue. It would be great if we could meet again in a BCS bowl. The only rivalries worth a shit are the ones where the teams and fans take a little dislike towards each other
Good night all. Go Gators and :gobucks3::gobucks4: