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Game Thread tOSU at Indiana - Oct 13, 8 ET, BTN

Discussion in '2012 Football Season Capsule' started by BB73, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    Who on this unit do you trust to play man-to-man?
  2. lvbuckeye

    lvbuckeye Silver Surfer

    the problem isn't the corners and safeties. :wink:
  3. ArmyVet83

    ArmyVet83 Prepare yourselves. For now, I summon...the end!

    It has taken me until now to discuss this game.

    Before the game even began, me and my Buckeye brothers discussed the oddity of playing Indiana, at 8:00PM, on the BTN, away from the man cave because none of us have the BTN, and watching the game at the Carolina Ale House from a table rather than the bar like we normally do. Needless to say NONE of us had a very good feeling about the game and did not rule out the probablity of a perfect storm brewing in Indiana's favor which luckily it did not.

    Bottom line is the Buckeyes escaped with a WIN when all the odds were stacked against to speak.

    I will use the line that Bruce Lee used in Enter the Dragon and modify.

    Dude: What's your style?

    Bruce: The art of fighting without fighting.

    In the Buckeyes response, it would be:

    "The art of losing without losing."

    Hopefully, this is one of those games where maybe that final lesson is learned by the team, especially the defense and coaches, that they are painfully close to losing a game they have no business losing.
  4. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    Howard and Barnett are both banged up. Bryant's play has been mixed at best. I have not made up my mind about Johnson yet. Grant did not play well against Indiana.
  5. I think that's because we haven't had many good receivers in the last 10 years.

    2011- Posey. Eh.
    2010- Dane. He didn't drop passes.
    2009- Robiskie and Hartline. Robiskie dropped his fair share of passes, and really wasn't/isn't that good. Hartline was good, didn't drop passes.
    2007- Roy Hall, Gonzo, Ginn. Ginn was never a great pass catcher, just incredible elusiveness. Gonzo was a guy you could count on, didn't really have issues with drops. Roy
    2004- Drew Carter, Mike Jenkins. Carter wasn't really special or anything. Jenkins was good/great.
    2001- Ken-Yon Rambo, Reggie Germany. Neither were that good.

    So, in 10 years we had 4-6 solid pass catchers. I don't care who your coach is, gotta have someone to throw to.

    Comparing those laughable defenses from the RichRod era to this years Buckeye d is interesting.

    2010 scUM
    PPG Allowed: 35.2
    Rush YPG: 188.9
    Pass YPG: 261.8
    YPG Allowed: 450.8
    INT's/game: .9
    Fumble recoveries/game: .5
    TO's forced/game: 1.4

    2012 Buckeyes:
    PPG Allowed: 24.6
    Rush YPG: 122.3
    Pass YPG: 277.7
    YPG Allowed: 400.0
    INT's/game: 1.4
    Fumble recoveries/game: .4
    TO's forced/game: 1.8

    Each bolded category is one in which the Buckeyes defense has performed better.

    Sorry, but I just don't see a *lot* of similarity here. The Buckeyes are still only allowing 24ppg, dramatically different than those scUM teams.
  6. Dryden

    Dryden Sober as Sarkisian Staff Member Tech Admin

    You forgot Chris Vance, Chris Gamble, and a Super Bowl MVP.
  7. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member


    In other news...

    Buckeyes Led NFL with Seven WRs in 2011

  8. Dammit, just went through the draft list and skipped right over Santonio.

    Gamble wasn't a great receiver, he was a great CB. Vance was good too.

    Honestly though, having 7 WR's playing in the NFL is cool and all, but a second look...

    Dane Sanzenbacher - 1 catch, 7 yards.

    Brian Robiskie - Unsigned

    Anthony Gonzalez - Out of football

    Brian Hartline - 29 receptions, 514 yards, top WR

    Michael Jenkins - 19 receptions, 202 yards

    Santonio Holmes - 20 receptions, 272 yards (Out with bad injury)

    Ted Ginn - 0 receptions, 1 rush for 7 yards

    Again, my original post was in response to the comment that Buckeye WR's seem like they've always struggled with drops. My response was that it seems there haven't been many great receivers in the last 10 years, and I came up with 4 (should have been 5, forgot Santonio).
  9. SEREbuckeye

    SEREbuckeye "The bag or the bat, Bob?"

    Lets take a look at who was throwing to those guys during those years:

    2011- True Frosh Braxton Miller.
    2010- Pryor, had a solid year. Someone was catching his 2772 yards
    2009- Pryor, not known for an accurate arm - 18 TDs to 11 INTs
    2007- Todd Boeckman. A guy that really had one solid year, sandwiched between two solid QBs (Smith and Pryor). He had a TD:INT ratio of 25:14.
    2004- The year of the two QB system. The Bucks couldn't figure out if they wanted Smith or Zwick at the helm.
    2001- Steve Bellasari. Enough said?

    I noticed nothing was said about receivers during the Krenzel and Smith years.
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2012
  10. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    The only reason why we're giving up "only" 24.57 PPG is because MSU's offense flat fucking sucks. We gave 485 yards and 38 offensive points to Nebraska, and 481 yards and 49 offensive points to Indiana the last two games. That's 483 yards and 43.5 points per game. Those are our sixth and seventh regular season, and second and third conference, games of the season. The same/similar games under DickRod:

    2008: 46 points to PSU, 35 points to MSU (40.5 PPG)
    2009: 30 points Iowa, 35 points to PSU (32.5 PPG)
    2010: 34 to MSU, 38 points to Iowa (36.0 PPG)

    Our defensive performance over the last two games was worse than any similar two-game series under DickRod.
  11. Great point
  12. Abenaki

    Abenaki Ohio against the world.

    Well that's depressing.

    For the full comparison on both sides, at this point in his tenure at TSUN, RichRod was 2-5 (1-2) and his offense never put up 63 and 52 in back-to-back games. He only broke 50 twice, against a 2-win BG team and in triple OT against Illinois, both in 2010.

    Still doesn't make me feel any better about the defense though...
  13. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

    Luckily that would only be of significant value if the Rodriguez & Fickell & Co D tenures only consisted of two games.
  14. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    Building on my earlier point: We just gave up 87 points total to UNL and IU, more than any two-game span in our entire history. This was only the second time we've ever given up 38 points or more in consecutive games in the regular season...that was way back in 1893 when we gave up 38 points to Oberlin and 42 points to Kenyon (80 points total). The only other time we've done that at all was at the end of 2006: Regular season finale against Michigan (39 points) and BCSCG against Florida (41 points)...again, 80 points total.

    To say the defensive meltdown of the last two weeks has been historic to an epic degree is not hyperbole.
  15. MaxBuck

    MaxBuck 2014 National Champions!

    I don't mean to derail the downer train here, but is our 115 points more than we've ever scored in any 2-game span?

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