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Game Thread tOSU at NW'ern, Oct 5, 8 ET, ABC/ESPN/ESPN2

Discussion in '2013 Football Season Capsule' started by BB73, Apr 8, 2013.

  1. HorseshoeFetish

    HorseshoeFetish Silver Bullet Supporter


    You are a [​IMG] that seems to have bashed a Buckeye.
     
  2. germ

    germ Freshman

    Bashed? I don't think so, I don't think Luke is a good game caller. Against NW do you think the DC called a good game? It's not like OSU does not have the players.
     
  3. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    The play calling was certainly better in the second half. I'm more concerned about the actual play of the defensive backs, to be honest. Does tOSU really have the players? I wonder when I see defensive backs trying to push the opposing players down instead of tackling them. And Luke is not the one responsible for bringing in all of this zone crap to the schemes - it's the same stuff Withers has been running since he was coaching in the NFL.
     
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  4. Zander42

    Zander42 Stupendous Nut

    Maybe Fickell is good at coaching linebackers and D-line but bad at D-Coordinator. I do know that since Heacock left, the defense has not been nearly as good as they were under him. These same problems have been recurring for going on three years now. Last year the D was under-performing to the point to where Meyer had to take a special interest. I would not doubt that he is doing that again (at least I hope so).

    I don't care who's fault it is. This is a big boy league. What has been going on isn't working. Whoever has been calling the D needs to stop and the responsibility needs to be given to someone else.
     
  5. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    Play calling is not causing the poor play of the defensive backs, and causing them to look like the keystone cops when trying to cover people. The position coaches are responsible for their development.
     
  6. buckeyebri

    buckeyebri Reach down between my legs...

    I see a lot of assumptions being made that Luke is calling the defense. I don't know that he is or isn't do you? Certainly the DBs struggle in scheme, position and tackling. I believe that would be on Withers as the person developing the scheme and Kerry on how he teaches the DBs.
     
  7. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    Yes, for all the talk of poor defensive playcalling, we are currently ranked 7th in the country in rushing defense. So, apparently, when the other team attempts to run the ball, our playcalling somehow miraculously improves. :lol:
     
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  8. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    We're also #19 in total defense and #24 in scoring defense...not up to the standards we're normally used to, but not bad either. When you're #7 in scoring offense, being #24 in scoring defense will usually win you most of your games...
     
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  9. BUCKYLE

    BUCKYLE Washed

    Yeah I can't think of a single thing that bothers me more than casual fans blaming Fick for everything wrong with the D. I don't know who has which responsibilities, but out of all the Defensive coaches, only one played for a dominant D, then coached a dominant defense for multiple years. Seems odd that he'd abandon every thing he was a part of in favor of a scheme that seems contrary to how he played and coached for years .
     
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  10. Zander42

    Zander42 Stupendous Nut

    I'm not assuming it's Fick, that's why I said I don't care who's fault it is, but it needs to be fixed. I do know that the year Heacock left, the defense (which had not lost key players to suspension) took a step backward and had not recovered. I think that is the reason people are quick to point to him. Withers is more of an unknown quantity. Right now they are listed as Co-defensive coordinators. But who is really in charge, is it a 1a and 1b kind or arrangement? Maybe that should flip, maybe they both need to go. Either way, last year the head coach had to get more involved in the defense. If it's happens again this year (and it appears it should), then I would expect some changes.
     
  11. germ

    germ Freshman

    Those rankings mean squat, it's a more of matter of who you played. OSU has only faced one team with a decent running game with a very limited passing game. Honestly I doubt that OSU gets tested in the Big Ten, because nobody besides OSU has a good attack running or throwing. NW was IMO the best you'll see this year. Without the TO's the game is not even close.
     
  12. Zander42

    Zander42 Stupendous Nut

    Absolutely correct. And on Monday through Thursday it's the position coaches job to get their players ready. But on Friday and Saturday, it's the coordinators job to call and execute a game plan based on the strength and weaknesses of their players, to put them in the best position to succeed. It doesn't look like that's been happening.

    I'm not by any means letting the DB coach off the hook, but the DB coach (and other position coaches) coach to the game plan and the defensive game plan has been ineffective against the pass when playing against anyone with a pulse.
     
  13. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    Actually, the decline arguably started in 2011, when Heacock was still on staff.
     
  14. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    That's very easy to say. What scheme would you run for a defensive backfield that is poor at tackling, angles, playing in position and covering assignments?
     
  15. BUCKYLE

    BUCKYLE Washed

    Bullshit. Wisconsin has had a dominant rushing attack for a decade. The rankings aren't everything, but they do mean something. Talk of firing a DC of an undefeated team who's defense is ranked in the top 25 is absurd
     

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