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2018 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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This seems as good a place as any to say that I’m more interested in things the rating services miss than ever before. Intangibles like toughness, willing to compete, heart. And being from Ohio.

I know talent can’t be ignored and you must recruit nationally these days. But I’ll never forget getting our asses HANDED to us by Iowa and a bunch of players not looking at their university as mearly a stepping stone to the league. I’ve had my fill with that mentality.
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
a bunch of players not looking at their university as mearly a stepping stone to the league. I’ve had my fill with that mentality.
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Like most every other college student, football players are going to school to further their future careers. So of course they are going to use Ohio State as "a stepping stone to the league." Just like other students are going to use the Fisher College of Business as a "stepping stone to Wall Street."

And Ohio State sells its football program to recruits as "a stepping stone to the league." That's one of the main reasons why Ohio State gets top recruits in the first place.

I realize that some fans want the entire team to bleed scarlet & gray and fight for O-HI-O, but that's just not reality. Professional football is a big business, and Ohio State offers one of the most sought after "undergraduate degrees" in football. Can you really blame kids for wanting that "degree" so that they might have a chance to make millions of dollars in their chosen profession? And like it or not, isn't making millions of dollars in your chosen profession a lot more important than beating Iowa?
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Like most every other college student, football players are going to school to further their future careers. So of course they are going to use Ohio State as "a stepping stone to the league." Just like other students are going to use the Fisher College of Business as a "stepping stone to Wall Street."

And Ohio State sells its football program to recruits as "a stepping stone to the league." That's one of the main reasons why Ohio State gets top recruits in the first place.

I realize that some fans want the entire team to bleed scarlet & gray and fight for O-HI-O, but that's just not reality. Professional football is a big business, and Ohio State offers one of the most sought after "undergraduate degrees" in football. Can you really blame kids for wanting that "degree" so that they might have a chance to make millions of dollars in their chosen profession? And like it or not, isn't making millions of dollars in your chosen profession a lot more important than beating Iowa?
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Yeah of course. I get it.

But the point is it takes both types IMO. The ones who know they already have a path to the league and those hoping to develop the skills to get there.
The ‘14 NC was won because of Darron Lee and Cardale Jones just as much as Bosa and Zeke. It literally took the chemistry of both types. That’s my point. Of course I don’t begrudge players for looking at college as a career path. The point was that for some, it seems like they feel they are already anointed with enough natural abilities they will get there regardless and they can sometimes lack the passion and dedication to embrace the grind.
 
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Oh8ch said:
Nobody follows recruiting on this board because they want to be Iowa.
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No doubt. And admittedly you can’t measure heart like you can a 40 time and it isn’t sexy to follow. So, no, it’s not that I want to recruit like Iowa. I just wished we played like that a few times this year because we would be in the playoffs. And we had the talent to do it.
 
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If we continue to recruit athletes and plug them in new positions .. the position coach as teacher of technique becomes more important. Best teacher on staff is obvious Johnson.. we put recruiting first which is fine. I think our LB coach is trying to teach a graduate course to students that needed a beginning course in LB play.Our cornerback coach is pretty good too. There has been improvements.
 
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Onebuckfan said:
If we continue to recruit athletes and plug them in new positions .. the position coach as teacher of technique becomes more important. Best teacher on staff is obvious Johnson.. we put recruiting first which is fine. I think our LB coach is trying to teach a graduate course to students that needed a beginning course in LB play.Our cornerback coach is pretty good too. There has been improvements.
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You have a lot of great teachers on this team to say it's obviously Johnson. Our staff is deep! You have Schanio, Coombs and Alford. Can't argue with whats going on in our secondary after that mass exodus last year. I think what Day has done bringing in some Chip Kelly plays has been pretty good as well! Will be interesting to see that speed next year along with a QB who can execute those throws. I think the sometimes invisible Campbell and Mclaurin are all of a sudden gonna become explosive!
 
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buckeye4ever21 said:
You have a lot of great teachers on this team to say it's obviously Johnson. Our staff is deep! You have Schanio, Coombs and Alford. Can't argue with whats going on in our secondary after that mass exodus last year. I think what Day has done bringing in some Chip Kelly plays has been pretty good as well! Will be interesting to see that speed next year along with a QB who can execute those throws. I think the sometimes invisible Campbell and Mclaurin are all of a sudden gonna become explosive!
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You must just mean in the bowl game, because I believe McLaurin is a senior. Though I can see Campbell and McCall being explosive next year
 
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The thing about DE needs is that you don't have to recruit a bona-fide DE, as Sam Hubbard has proven. Back in the day, Darrion Scott was a HS linebacker who turned into one of our Buckeye greats. Probably half of the better DE's in college are guys who played HS ball in the 210-220 weight range at linebacker. I don't know if Urban recruits like that, but there are always options for DE's and LB's in college based on moving linebackers up to DE or safeties up to LB. So, yeah, losing Cox sucks, but it's not like losing a great offensive tackle prospect or a skill-position.

It goes a little bit with ShowMe's point...gritty and hungry players will find a place on the field.
 
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HabaneroBuck said:
The thing about DE needs is that you don't have to recruit a bona-fide DE, as Sam Hubbard has proven. Back in the day, Darrion Scott was a HS linebacker who turned into one of our Buckeye greats. Probably half of the better DE's in college are guys who played HS ball in the 210-220 weight range at linebacker. I don't know if Urban recruits like that, but there are always options for DE's and LB's in college based on moving linebackers up to DE or safeties up to LB. So, yeah, losing Cox sucks, but it's not like losing a great offensive tackle prospect or a skill-position.

It goes a little bit with ShowMe's point...gritty and hungry players will find a place on the field.
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That's why I've been wondering if a guy like Pope(or even Gant) can move down
 
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