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2020 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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The Boom and Beanie podcast has been fascinating in terms of insight of what actual players think about the program then vs now.

Beanie and Cardale both commented on how Tressel was very committed to recruiting Ohio kids, but he also reached a lot, and brought non-elite caliber players to OSU. Licter touched on it too. Lichter and Beanie both commented it didn’t hurt at the skill positions when Ohio was producing Ted Ginn, Anthony Gonzalez, Brian Hartline. But they said there was a significant gap in the trenches on both the offensive & defensive line. They said it was night day. Lichter’s best offensive line player was a 5th rd pick....

Meyer flipped the script and took a very aggressive national approach. To the point, former players were shocked coming back to the program and looking at the talent across the offensive and defensive line.

I think Day needs to strike the right balance. Recruit Ohio’s top kids hard, establish great relationships all over the state, but don’t reach......OSU is too good to reach. I’m all for Ohio kids getting an offer......I’m not all for an Ohio kid getting essentially a charity offer to make it seem as if we are putting a fence around the state.
 
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billmac91 said:
The Boom and Beanie podcast has been fascinating in terms of insight of what actual players think about the program then vs now.

Beanie and Cardale both commented on how Tressel was very committed to recruiting Ohio kids, but he also reached a lot, and brought non-elite caliber players to OSU. Licter touched on it too. Lichter and Beanie both commented it didn’t hurt at the skill positions when Ohio was producing Ted Ginn, Anthony Gonzalez, Brian Hartline. But they said there was a significant gap in the trenches on both the offensive & defensive line.

Meyer flipped the script and took a very aggressive national approach. To the point, former players were shocked coming back to the program and looking at the talent across the offensive and defensive line.

I think Day needs to strike the right balance. Recruit Ohio’s top kids hard, establish great relationships all over the state, but don’t reach......OSU is too good to reach. I’m all for Ohio kids getting an offer......I’m not all for an Ohio kid getting essentially a charity offer to make it seem as if we are putting a fence around the state.
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kujirakira said:
But at the same time it feels like we're headed back to same place on Oline - and well before Urban's retirement.
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I’m not sure I agree with that.

I think Wyatt Davis is gonna be hell on wheels next year, and at minimum a 2nd rd pick when he enters.

Pretit-Frere has so much athleticism
it’s hard not to see him busting out as a sophomore. Josh Meyers was a stud in HS, and my assumption is he steps up.

You combine that with Thayer Munford who has all the tools, Branden Bowen who was a stud prior to injury.....

We’ve got the talent....and the star ratings to back it up. I also think Meyer probably closes the O-line class a bit stronger with his name brand, and the uncertainty around Sturdwa doesn’t help.

But we have another prolific offensive season, and the O-line recruits will be lining up to showcase in this offense.

I also like that the NFL is changing their thinking on the OG position (Quenton Nelson). In our system, guards are a premium. They plow the way for the downhill run and need to be agile
enough to pull. I don’t think Day will
have any shortage of interior offensive lineman to pick from starting next year. They will be lining up.....
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
Any class where you can land 10 out of the top 100 is absolutely incredible but admittedly very tough to do.

tOSU already has 4 in Johnson, Wypler, Scott and Miller. That's an excellent start. So who could be the other 6? It isn't hard to find 6 realistic guys out of this list:

Jarrett
Fleming
Rogers
Corcoran
Bresee
Sherman
Henry
Smalls
Mickens
Davis
Gray
Cowan

That's 12 dudes. Get half of them and you have your 10. Realistically, landing 8 of the top 100 is still fantastic which means when you are sitting at 4 already you are half way home and you only have to land 1/3 of the list of 12 above to hit that mark. That's certainly realistic.

edit: What is most concerning to me is the need for an elite RB in this class and I don't see one yet unless I am missing something.
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You prompted me to look at the Scout list for 2020 for the first time. It is way too early to trust the CBs, but good Lord. We are listed as the favorite on 7 and in the hunt for an additional 4 of the top 71.
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
Any class where you can land 10 out of the top 100 is absolutely incredible but admittedly very tough to do.

tOSU already has 4 in Johnson, Wypler, Scott and Miller. That's an excellent start. So who could be the other 6? It isn't hard to find 6 realistic guys out of this list:

Jarrett
Fleming
Rogers
Corcoran
Bresee
Sherman
Henry
Smalls
Mickens
Davis
Gray
Cowan

That's 12 dudes. Get half of them and you have your 10. Realistically, landing 8 of the top 100 is still fantastic which means when you are sitting at 4 already you are half way home and you only have to land 1/3 of the list of 12 above to hit that mark. That's certainly realistic.

edit: What is most concerning to me is the need for an elite RB in this class and I don't see one yet unless I am missing something.
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Quite amazing indeed and I said this in my BRPT 2019 class review, but I think the 2020 class will be a top 5 class absent an implosion in the 2019 season. As to the RB position, Kendall Milton is the best shot we have at a 5* RB and we are definitely in the hunt...but it will definitely be a tough pull to get him over USC and Oklahoma. But Darvon Hubbard is committed and is a very good back, plus I am very pleased with the 2019 haul in Crowley and Chambers. I say we're more than fine with Hubbard and swing for the fences on top guys like Milton, Bijan Robinson and Zach Evans and if we end up with Hubbard as the sole RB in 2020, that will be fine.
 
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I think it’s been mentioned a couple of times but worth repeating...next year’s Ohio State team will have something like 22 of the top 50 ranked players that Ohio State has ever had. That is unreal for a storied program. It’s one thing if you’re Oregon in 2012 to be able to say that. But Ohio State? Wow!
 
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billmac91 said:
The Boom and Beanie podcast has been fascinating in terms of insight of what actual players think about the program then vs now.

Beanie and Cardale both commented on how Tressel was very committed to recruiting Ohio kids, but he also reached a lot, and brought non-elite caliber players to OSU. Licter touched on it too. Lichter and Beanie both commented it didn’t hurt at the skill positions when Ohio was producing Ted Ginn, Anthony Gonzalez, Brian Hartline. But they said there was a significant gap in the trenches on both the offensive & defensive line. They said it was night day. Lichter’s best offensive line player was a 5th rd pick....

Meyer flipped the script and took a very aggressive national approach. To the point, former players were shocked coming back to the program and looking at the talent across the offensive and defensive line.

I think Day needs to strike the right balance. Recruit Ohio’s top kids hard, establish great relationships all over the state, but don’t reach......OSU is too good to reach. I’m all for Ohio kids getting an offer......I’m not all for an Ohio kid getting essentially a charity offer to make it seem as if we are putting a fence around the state.
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Exactly what I've been saying for months. Don't need to reach to find talent at the top in-state. If we have 60-70% of our roster from Ohio and the majority of them 3* specials, I'll become concerned.

But as of now, Day needs to stay Nat'l while giving the home grown kids a little more attention, especially until his nat'l recruiting roots are more entrenched like Meyer's were and we can consistently pull the top recruits away from Bama, Clemson, and UGA.
 
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billmac91 said:
I’m not sure I agree with that.

I think Wyatt Davis is gonna be hell on wheels next year, and at minimum a 2nd rd pick when he enters.

Pretit-Frere has so much athleticism
it’s hard not to see him busting out as a sophomore. Josh Meyers was a stud in HS, and my assumption is he steps up.

You combine that with Thayer Munford who has all the tools, Branden Bowen who was a stud prior to injury.....

We’ve got the talent....and the star ratings to back it up. I also think Meyer probably closes the O-line class a bit stronger with his name brand, and the uncertainty around Sturdwa doesn’t help.

But we have another prolific offensive season, and the O-line recruits will be lining up to showcase in this offense.

I also like that the NFL is changing their thinking on the OG position (Quenton Nelson). In our system, guards are a premium. They plow the way for the downhill run and need to be agile
enough to pull. I don’t think Day will
have any shortage of interior offensive lineman to pick from starting next year. They will be lining up.....
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E talked about how, at any given time, there was only about 5 guys that could play at an elite level.
We're there now, clamoring for a Rutgers transfer to fill out the line.
 
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kujirakira said:
E talked about how, at any given time, there was only about 5 guys that could play at an elite level.
We're there now, clamoring for a Rutgers transfer to fill out the line.
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We (the fans) are clamoring for more elite players because everyone expects the 2 deep to be filled with 10 5 star day one starters. There's likely a difference between what we see/expect and what the coaches do.
 
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Just took another look at Scout checking out Michigan. I had no idea it was this bad.

Once again it is early, but OSU is at least in the hunt for 15 of the top 72 players in the nation.

Michigan's first mention is as the favorite for #98. They currently have 6 commits and their highest is the #292 player in the country.

Our #6 rated commit is #242.
 
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Oh8ch said:
I guess I should clarify my previous post, when I said I had no idea it was this bad I meant Day's recruiting.

How is it Michigan is finding all these sleepers while we keep making offers to kids the recruiting services have over rated?
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I’m with you. It’s much harder to find the sleepers. The overrated kids are easy to find because they are the ones that commit to the good guys and have solid offers. How Harbaugh keeps finding all the sleepers with little to no major offers is the real head scratcher. It’s probably why we pillaged the coaching staff up there. There is a secret to finding those kids that a program like Ohio State just can’t figure out.
 
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